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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Running KDE apps on Apple OS X
From:       Ben Cooksley <bcooksley () kde ! org>
Date:       2014-03-15 11:07:04
Message-ID: CA+XidOFL8CMkbpipFZbV516dhyeZ1PbGB29aWwKO+h+_CXJ1iA () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Ian Wadham <iandw.au@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ben,

Hi Ian,

>
> On 13/03/2014, at 7:15 AM, Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:44 AM, John Layt <jlayt@kde.org> wrote:
>>> What to do at the KDE end?
>>>
>>> We have a wiki at http://community.kde.org/Mac that we need to keep
>>> updated as things change, as that is where mac.kde.org redirects.  We
>>> also have the forum at http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=60, but
>>> for devs please use the list at
>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mac.  I can't emphasise
>>> enough: if everyone who's doing stuff with KDE-on-Mac were to talk to
>>> each other there, there would be a lot less work needed!
>>>
>>> Qt5/KF5 may improve things, but we still need to build infrastructure
>>> to support Mac.
>>>
>>> We need CI Mac builds to test KF5 stuff and prevent Linuxisms and
>>> build breakers from creeping in over time, e.g. to ensure the creation
>>> of Mac Frameworks (a special type of library) works as you need to
>>> follow strict include rules that Linux or Windows don't need.  It's
>>> part of our "KF5 everywhere Qt is" strategy.  Advanced Mac platform
>>> integration will also need CI builds to check they don't get broken by
>>> Linux-focussed devs :-)
>>
>> In terms of the bare minimum requirements of the CI system itself (not
>> taking into account anything being built) the following is needed.
>> I'm assuming it is all available?
>>
>> - Java (either Oracle or IcedTea)
>> - Python (with lxml support)
>> - RSync
>> - SSH
>> - Git
>> - Subversion
>> - Bazaar
>
> I think all of those are available.  Attached is a summary of search
> results for "bazaar" and "lxml", on the latest Macports index.  More
> detail on any of those packages can be provided by "port info" if
>  you need it.  I have certainly used git and Subversion on
> Mac OS X to maintain and check in my code.  I am also using
> Java and mysql to run a business administration app that was
> developed by a friend of mine on Windows.

Okay, excellent.

>
>> Please note that if we do purchase such systems then we need to find a
>> place to host them - and someone to look after them should they need
>> to be moved or require hardware maintenance (disk failures, etc).
>> Ideally we would hire them from a DC which offers that.
>
> I do not think they would need much hosting. Each Mac Mini is only
> about the size of 3 or 4 CD cases.  The network connections would be
> another matter.  Apple support at the Apple Store for Macs, MacBooks,
> iPads and iPhones is excellent, and free.  I am amazed how much
> time they are prepared to spend with my wife and me without any
> complaining ...  For a Mac Mini you might need to hook into the
> "Genius Bar" guys though ... :-)

We'll await the results of the Macports collaboration thread before
continuing further.
Ideally though the datacenter operator would look after the hardware
aspect - this has worked very well for us with Hetzner and our Linux
systems.

>
> You might also like to look at the new Mac Pro, which is more
> expensive but extremely powerful (Intel Xeon).  It is cylindrical with
> a hole in the top.  You'd just have to be careful nobody pours their
> coffee into it ... :-)
>
> Cheers, Ian W.

Regards,
Ben

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