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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: MacPorts: Running KDE ports on Apple OS X
From:       Frank Reininghaus <frank78ac () googlemail ! com>
Date:       2014-03-15 10:40:04
Message-ID: CAFoZWWh1DTokAu8wpS1TsGYJd5ZxV6fZV7CePjPMb_0uRW9+Cg () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hi Ian,

2014-03-15 7:10 GMT+01:00 Ian Wadham:
[...]
> And I said it would be nice to have some regular testing
> of Apple and Windows implementations of KDE.
>
> Well ... the response was quite antagonistic at first, but
> I am old and thick-skinned and I stood my ground ... :-)
[...]
> First I would like you to have look at the two threads on kde-devel@kde.org
>
> 1. "What to test for 4.13?" starts here ... it is the more controversial of the two.
>      http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=139418788102916&w=2
> 2. "Running KDE apps on Apple OS X" starts here ..
>      http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139450777202393&w=2
>
> If there is anything I have said wrong please let me know
> on this MacPorts list.  If you agree or disagree with what I am
> trying to achieve, please also let me know.  Please do not get
> upset by anything that was written.  Every group tends to think
> that the people on the other side of the river have two heads, but
> I have found in the course of a long career, that building bridges
> is a good way to solve problems.

I greatly appreciate that the "Improve KDE on Mac" initiative is getting going!

I'm sorry for sending one last mail about this issue. One might argue
that it will not help much, but seeing that I am now blamed in public
for being antagonistic, and that people have to be warned to "not get
upset" by my earlier responses, I just have to.

So, to explain why I wrote my "antagonistic" responses to the "What to
test for 4.13" thread:


1. In your second mail to the thread, you said that Dolphin does
"discredit to KDE" because "it crashes before showing any window". To
be honest, I consider making such statements in public without telling
what the crashing version is extremely inappropriate, in particular
considering that you admitted later that the problematic version is 1
year old, and you never bothered to report the problem at
bugs.kde.org.


2. Also in your second mail to the thread, but also later mails, you
say that too little testing is being done on Mac (which is probably
true). However, instead of questioning if the people who try to use
KDE on Mac actually report their problems upstream and try to help fix
them, you blame the "KDE developers" (a group which I consider myself
part of) for not doing enough testing on Mac, and even suggest that
the KDE developers who work exclusively on Linux get Mac hardware.

The number of people of people who work to make KDE better is far too
small, so the result of that work is not always as good as we would
like it to be. Just to be clear: I fully understand that users are
dissatisfied if a developer introduces bugs all the time and doesn't
care about them, or if a bug report with many duplicates is ignored
for a long time.

However, in most other situations, pointing fingers at the few people
who do the work and saying "you are not doing enough" is not exactly
helpful. In fact, seeing this attitude over and over again in mailing
lists, forums, etc., is slowly ruining my motivation to do any work on
KDE at all. This is the reason why I sometimes get a bit upset when I
see someone say "The KDE developers have to/are not doing enough/...".


I apologize to anyone who felt bothered by my mails the the "What to
test for 4.13" thread. I hope I made it clear why I felt bothered by
Ian's mails. I will try to ignore any future messages about Dolphin
and my work if I consider them inappropriate.

Best regards,
Frank

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