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Subject: Re: Moving KDE Telepathy to kdenetwork
From: Martin Klapetek <martin.klapetek () gmail ! com>
Date: 2015-02-19 22:49:10
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Hey,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> I'm adding Martin that is the one that originally started this thread.
>
> But my suggestion would be that you create bug/wish requests about these
> things.
>
> Cheers,
> Albert
>
> El Dimecres, 18 de febrer de 2015, a les 20:39:59, Scott Lerman va
> escriure:
> > I've used KDE Telepathy for the past couple weeks, and here's a few
> things
> > I've noticed that I miss from Kopete:
>
As was said in the main thread already, KDE Telepathy does not try to be
swiss army knife and doitall, we also don't want to copy all features of
Kopete
(what would be the point of that :) We also prefer to keep the amount of
options
to be as minimal as possible.
>
> > Manual sorting of groups in the contact list
> > Disable automatic resizing of text entry area
> > Disable sound notifications when away (ideally only with an explicit away
> > setting and not idle/auto-away)
>
These^ all fall into the category of what I wrote above. Maybe the last one
could be done, if someones finds the time (manpower is scarce).
> > No system tray icon when there's a new message from a contact with an
> open
> > chat window
>
Yes, well, there should be blinking taskbar entry, no reason to blink at
two places
really :)
> > OTR Encryption (though I think this has been added recently, it just
> isn't
> > in the Kubuntu version, which is 0.8.1)
>
It's in 0.9 line.
> > I've also found one bug - in the contact list toolbar, the Settings
> button
> > can't be accessed if the chat list window is too narrow
>
Yup, that's known and there's no easy solution it seems[1].
[1] - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316591
> > I can list some (important for me) features, that are missing in ktp
> > > (correct me, if I missed something):
> > >
> > > - edit contact names and images, and group contacts (for example same
> > > people with different IM-accounts with different protocols - but still
> > > choose preferred protocol, or choose specific one to chat with a person
> > > in context-menu/via protocol-status-icon)
>
Editing contact names is impossible because of the nature of Telepathy.
But we've started on a solution that would allow that at least locally.
As for choosing different protocols when chatting, it's possible and
a solution with selected preferred protocol is also desired.
> > > - edit the contact-list view (in kopete you can comfortable and exactly
> > > define, which contact attributes to show where in the contact list), in
> > > ktp there are 3 views, but they can't be configured.
>
Sorry, you're gonna have to stick with Kopete for that.
> > > - fetching/caching contact images from server does not work reliable in
> > > ktp, they sometimes only are displayed on status change
>
That's again limitation of Telepathy. You simply won't get an avatar
for a contact that's not online (I don't know how much that is a protocol
limitation)
so we do have our own cache in place. But obviously only contacts that
Telepathy gives us avatars for can be cached.
For the record, in the years of KDE Telepathy out there, there wasn't a
single
report about this.
> > > - connect/set-status only some protocols (in ktp you can only go online
> > > or offline with all accounts)
>
Yup, that's also on the todo.
> > > - define what to display in tooltips for contacts in contactlist
>
Nope, swissarmyknife-sorry.
> > > - ktp contact-list has no status icon (showing status, missed messages)
>
There's a complementary Plasma applet which acts as a status icon. In
Plasma5,
this applet also acts as a quick contact list integrated as an applet.
> > > - show history (chat protocol) from contact-list
>
That's of course possible, provided you have the correct packages installed.
Cheers
--
Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">Hey,</div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:23 \
PM, Albert Astals Cid <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aacid@kde.org" \
target="_blank">aacid@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm \
adding Martin that is the one that originally started this thread.<br> <br>
But my suggestion would be that you create bug/wish requests about these<br>
things.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Albert<br>
<br>
El Dimecres, 18 de febrer de 2015, a les 20:39:59, Scott Lerman va escriure:<br>
> I've used KDE Telepathy for the past couple weeks, and here's a few \
things<br> > I've noticed that I miss from \
Kopete:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As was said in the main thread already, \
KDE Telepathy does not try to be</div><div>swiss army knife and doitall, we also \
don't want to copy all features of Kopete</div><div>(what would be the point of \
that :) We also prefer to keep the amount of options</div><div>to be as minimal as \
possible.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px \
0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">><br>
> Manual sorting of groups in the contact list<br>
> Disable automatic resizing of text entry area<br>
> Disable sound notifications when away (ideally only with an explicit away<br>
> setting and not idle/auto-away)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These^ all \
fall into the category of what I wrote above. Maybe the last one</div><div>could be \
done, if someones finds the time (manpower is scarce).</div><div> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> No system tray icon when there's a new message from a contact with an \
open<br> > chat window<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, well, there should \
be blinking taskbar entry, no reason to blink at two places</div><div>really \
:)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> OTR Encryption (though I think this has been added recently, it just \
isn't<br> > in the Kubuntu version, which is \
0.8.1)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's in 0.9 line.</div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> I've also found one bug - in the contact list toolbar, the Settings \
button<br> > can't be accessed if the chat list window is too \
narrow<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yup, that's known and there's no \
easy solution it seems[1].</div><div><br></div><div>[1] - <a \
href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316591" target="_blank" \
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316591</a></div><div> \
</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > I can list some (important for me) features, that are missing in ktp<br>
> > (correct me, if I missed something):<br>
> ><br>
> > - edit contact names and images, and group contacts (for example same<br>
> > people with different IM-accounts with different protocols - but still<br>
> > choose preferred protocol, or choose specific one to chat with a person<br>
> > in context-menu/via \
protocol-status-icon)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Editing contact names is \
impossible because of the nature of Telepathy.</div><div>But we've started on a \
solution that would allow that at least locally.</div><div>As for choosing different \
protocols when chatting, it's possible and </div><div>a solution with selected \
preferred protocol is also desired.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > - edit the contact-list view (in kopete you can comfortable and \
exactly<br> > > define, which contact attributes to show where in the contact \
list), in<br> > > ktp there are 3 views, but they can't be \
configured.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, you're gonna have to stick \
with Kopete for that.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > - fetching/caching contact images from server does not work reliable \
in<br> > > ktp, they sometimes only are displayed on status \
change<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's again limitation of Telepathy. \
You simply won't get an avatar</div><div>for a contact that's not online (I \
don't know how much that is a protocol limitation)</div><div>so we do have our \
own cache in place. But obviously only contacts that</div><div>Telepathy gives us \
avatars for can be cached.</div><div><br></div><div>For the record, in the years of \
KDE Telepathy out there, there wasn't a single</div><div>report about \
this.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > - connect/set-status only some protocols (in ktp you can only go \
online<br> > > or offline with all \
accounts)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yup, that's also on the \
todo.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > - define what to display in tooltips for contacts in \
contactlist<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nope, \
swissarmyknife-sorry.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > - ktp contact-list has no status icon (showing status, missed \
messages)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There's a complementary Plasma \
applet which acts as a status icon. In Plasma5,</div><div>this applet also acts as a \
quick contact list integrated as an applet.</div><div> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > - show history (chat protocol) from \
contact-list<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's of course possible, \
provided you have the correct packages \
installed.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>-- <br><div \
class="gmail_signature"><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Martin Klapetek | \
KDE Developer</span></div></div> </div></div>
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