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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: [Bug 57415] First File Select Dialog should be able to turn off
From:       David Faure <dfaure () klaralvdalens-datakonsult ! se>
Date:       2003-06-02 21:46:50
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On Monday 02 June 2003 20:28, Thomas Zander wrote:
> On Monday 02 June 2003 14:59, David Faure wrote:
> > Well, I agree with all this, but this doesn't really help moving forward
> > with the problem at hand. For instance I haven't heard yet any valid reason
> > why the new dialog "introduces problems".
> 
> - Pressing close does not allow me to open a new file (only shows templates)
Bug (not GUI design issue).

> - Pressing quit (when the dialog first opens) makes kword hang.
Not here (would be a bug, not a GUI design issue anyway).

> - Selecting 'Always start KWord...' only selects the icon in the open dialog,
> contrairy to what the text would let you believe.
Not here (would be a bug, not a GUI design issue anyway).

> - Recent tab does not show file location.
The former combo didn't either. Personnally, I don't care about the file location,
I'm the one who named the file and saved it, its name is enough to know what
it's about. The directory would only be noise IMO.
The only issue I see with that tab is the sorting (alphabetical instead of
most recent first).

> - Going to 'open existing' and typing a non-existent filename and pressing
> enter makes the dialog 'bug' (it even shows the non-opened file in recent)
Bug (not GUI design issue).

> - The whole concept of 1 OK button beneath 3 tabs is wrong (as I stated in
> other emails before).
Ok, that's the first GUI design issue. I think it's fine (you make your choice, then you
press OK...), but well, seems I'm not entitled to appear as an expert on such matters.

(Note: we always had a tabwidget in this dialog, previously it was used to show
the template categories, to choose _one_. Still, the OK button was *below* the tab widget...).

> - create new doc based on the text oriented/A4, then restart kword and go to
> envelopes and click on a template. Then go to Text Oriented and see that A4
> is selected; but the 'selected template' groupbox still shows the envelop
> template. Now; which is opened when I press OK?
Simple bug, clicking on a category should unselect the icon in the other category.

> Ok, I'll stop here...
> But this kind of details are something that I like to think about ahead of
> time
There are always bugs to be fixed after an initial implementation, I don't see the 
relation to "wrong GUI design".

> > But if you prefer, let's come back on this once there's a serious proposal
> > for something better than the current dialog, then (+somebody willing to
> > implement that proposal, of course).
> This can be interpreted as a snide remark pointing out that the person who
> writes it gets to make the decisions, even if KWord does not get better due
> to that.  I know you long enough to know that your point means more like 'I
> don't have time to do it; lets see it when you have something to show for it'
Hmm, neither interpretation is really correct. It wasn't irony, it was simply
"nothing more to discuss until we have a concrete alternative to talk about".

> We both want the best for KOffice (and KWord), and IMOHO if that means to
> disapoint someone over his feature request or even his work; then so be it,
> I'd rather have a little more arguing then a lot of unfinished features.
I agree that unfinished features are not good (Laurent, listening? :) - I didn't 
know this was your main gripe, I thought it was the overall GUI design.
If it's only about unfinished features, this can easily be remedied. But there
isn't much point in fixing the above bugs if the whole code is going to be
thrown away, for a different GUI, is there?

-- 
David Faure -- faure@kde.org, dfaure@klaralvdalens-datakonsult.se
Qt/KDE/KOffice developer
Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB, Platform-independent software solutions
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