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Subject: Re: KWord tables totally broken?
From: Wolf-Michael Bolle <Bolle () ID-PRO ! de>
Date: 2000-10-30 4:43:14
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> > I was trying to play around with tables in KWord for my SGML DocBook
> > filter but I got greatly disappointed. When I create a new document w=
ith
> > a few lines of text, insert a new table (3 columns, 2 rows) in the
> > middle of them, store the document, and exit KWord I cannot reload th=
e
> > document and have the table where I wanted it to be. In fact the tabl=
e
> > ends up outside my text frame from where I can't even move it back an=
y
> > more. Any suggestions?
>
> There are 2 known issues with tables,
>
> * tables can not occupy the same space as text in your main frame. T=
his is
> logical and will not be changed.
> * Creating a floating table which is positioned in such a way that t=
he anchor
> is moved creates a faulty reference to the table. You can ellimina=
te this
> by simply creating the table so it will not interfere with the ori=
ginal
> text flow
>
> Frames that are rendered outside the page can not be moved. That is not=
a bug,
> the bug is that the frame was positioned outside the page in the first =
place.
> The logic to fix that has not been written just yet.
Can you give me a small example with every singe mouse click on how to cr=
eate a
valid table in KWord in a small document that I can save and reload?
Here is what I do:
I click at the 'Tools' menu and choose 'Create Table'. After that the 'In=
sert
Table' window comes up. I leave the default settings at 7 rows, 5 columns=
,
automatic cell heights and automatic cell widths, and leave the table flo=
ating box
unchecked. So, the next thing I do is hit OK. The next part is quite biza=
rr to me
which might be part of the problems I have. My mouse pointer changes into=
a cross
of the shape of a plus sign which I would interpret as a request to mark =
the
position of my new table. After much playing around I realised that in th=
at mode
I am able to draw a rectangle that sort of defines where my table should =
be drawn.
I found though that this will only be used as a general hint on where to =
put the
table because the table is created across the whole width of my page, and=
is as
high as the font needs it to be. Therefore I would suggest to make this p=
rocess
more intuitive in that hitting the mouse button will go ahead and create =
the table
instead of having me draw a rectangle whose size will be ignored anyway. =
Whatever,
I find though that after saving the text file with this new table and rel=
oading
the table is outside my text area. The documentation doesn't really go be=
yond the
parts that are intuitive after clicking around either. Therefore, I'm ask=
ing for
help on how to create a table the proper way.
Also KWord seems to have problems redrawing the window. A lot of times wh=
en
I click into one element in the table the whole document text goes away.
A lot of times when I leave KWord without saving changes KWord crashes.
KWord also isn't able to remember if I made a change to a document or not=
=2E I can
load a document, close it right away, and still being asked if I want to =
save the
file.
Michael
--
Wolf-Michael Bolle <Bolle@ID-PRO.de> (Products & Development)
* ID-PRO Deutschland GmbH * G.-Heinemann-Ring 135 * D-81739 M=FCnchen
* Tel. +49 (0) 89-67 34 61-64 * Fax -70
* http://open-for-the-better.com
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> I was trying to play around with tables in KWord
for my SGML DocBook
<br>> filter but I got greatly disappointed. When I create a new document
with
<br>> a few lines of text, insert a new table (3 columns, 2 rows) in the
<br>> middle of them, store the document, and exit KWord I cannot reload
the
<br>> document and have the table where I wanted it to be. In fact the
table
<br>> ends up outside my text frame from where I can't even move it back
any
<br>> more. Any suggestions?
<p>There are 2 known issues with tables,
<ul>
<li>
tables can not occupy the same space as text in your main frame. This is
logical and will not be changed.</li>
<li>
Creating a floating table which is positioned in such a way that the anchor
is moved creates a faulty reference to the table. You can elliminate this
by simply creating the table so it will not interfere with the original
text flow</li>
</ul>
Frames that are rendered outside the page can not be moved. That is not
a bug, the bug is that the frame was positioned outside the page in the
first place. The logic to fix that has not been written just yet.</blockquote>
Can you give me a small example with every singe mouse click on how to
create a valid table in KWord in a small document that I can save
and reload?
<p>Here is what I do:
<p>I click at the 'Tools' menu and choose 'Create Table'. After that
the 'Insert Table' window comes up. I leave the default settings at
7 rows, 5 columns, automatic cell heights and automatic cell widths, and
leave the table floating box unchecked. So, the next thing I do is hit
OK. The next part is quite bizarr to me which might be part of the problems
I have. My mouse pointer changes into a cross of the shape of a plus
sign which I would interpret as a request to mark the position of my new
table. After much playing around I realised that in that mode I am
able to draw a rectangle that sort of defines where my table should be
drawn. I found though that this will only be used as a general hint
on where to put the table because the table is created across the whole
width of my page, and is as high as the font needs it to be. Therefore
I would suggest to make this process more intuitive in that hitting the
mouse button will go ahead and create the table instead of having me draw
a rectangle whose size will be ignored anyway. Whatever, I find though
that after saving the text file with this new table and reloading the table
is outside my text area. The documentation doesn't really go beyond the
parts that are intuitive after clicking around either. Therefore, I'm asking
for help on how to create a table the proper way.
<p>Also KWord seems to have problems redrawing the window. A lot of times
when I click into one element in the table the whole document text
goes away.
<p>A lot of times when I leave KWord without saving changes KWord
crashes.
<p>KWord also isn't able to remember if I made a change to a document
or not. I can load a document, close it right away, and still being
asked if I want to save the file.
<p>Michael
<p>--
<br><tt><a href="mailto:Wolf-Michael Bolle <Bolle@ID-PRO.de>">Wolf-Michael
Bolle <Bolle@ID-PRO.de></a> (Products & Development)</tt>
<br><tt>* ID-PRO Deutschland GmbH * G.-Heinemann-Ring 135 * D-81739 München</tt>
<br><tt>* Tel. +49 (0) 89-67 34 61-64 * Fax -70</tt>
<br><tt>* <a href="http://open-for-the-better.com/">http://open-for-the-better.com</a></tt>
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