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List:       kde-i18n-doc
Subject:    Helper scripts/GUIs [Was: Rosetta for Edgy and KDE]
From:       Javier SOLA <lists () khmeros ! info>
Date:       2006-07-14 2:22:25
Message-ID: 44B6FFE1.4070406 () khmeros ! info
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Kevin,

I have added a this in the specs of the WordForge off-line translation 
editor (which will also make it to the on-line editor). Please feel free 
to add anything that you consider interesting to the specs in the wiki.

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/wordforge/off-line_translation_editor_specifications

Javier


Kevin Donnely wrote:

>  
>
>>Instead of the single program file you can also use a compendium of all
>>rosetta translations that are extra to what is in the upstream, though
>>first rosetta has to provide a convenient interface to get those updated
>>strings. Instead of a single file you can apply this command then to the
>>whole of the translation tree....
>>
>>I guess a Kommander script could be easily built to do that. Anyone
>>interested in having it? I could make a script like that.
>>    
>>
>
>I'm not going to comment on Rosetta, because I already did so a couple of 
>months ago - basically, I think it's a great idea, but the implementation (eg 
>upstream integration, control, file segmentation etc) leaves a lot to be 
>desired.  The Pootle/Debian collaboration seems a better bet.
>
>But I was very interested in your idea of a script or scripts to apply changes 
>to the whole translation tree.  For instance, if I have decided that a word 
>is incorrect in a specific context, and needs to be replaced by another, what 
>do I do?  At present, I just update it when I see it, which is not very 
>efficient.  What do other teams do?
>
>Far better would be some sort of interface (ideally GUI) which searches all 
>files in the tree for this target word, and lists the msgids/msgstrs where it 
>occurs.  You could then scan these, tick the msgstrs to replace, and have the 
>word replaced globally, and the po files saved.  I can do File/Replace on a 
>single file easily enough, but doing this over the whole tree is not worth 
>it.  KFileReplace will do a global Find/Replace, but it is a blunt tool for 
>this job, in that it only lists the words that were searched for, and not the 
>context of the words.  A replace in these circumstances would be risky.  To 
>look at the context, you have to open each file individually.  
>
>Thierry Vignaud on the Breton team has done some amazing  scripts in Perl 
>which basically look at any new commits, search for the exact same msgid in 
>the whole tree, and write the exact same msgstr there if the msgstr is empty.  
>The first time he ran this on the Welsh tree, nearly 10,000 translations were 
>added just like that, a big boost for a minority language team (especially 
>since the size of the KDE tree has grown 100% since we started in 2003). 
>Unfortunately I don't know enough Perl to be able to develop the scripts 
>further to allow the type of focussed search above, and some others.  
>
>A couple of years ago, Pedro Morais on the Portuguese team did some useful 
>scripts in Python which did basic checking (for example, that the msgstr of a 
>msgid ending in a full stop also had a full stop).  Some of these duplicated 
>some of the functionality in KBabel, but were still useful as standalones.
>
>I wonder is there no way we as a project can leverage these little bits of 
>brilliance that occasionally bubble up, so that the average plonker like me 
>can take advantage of them?  A sort of Lionforge, where these things could be 
>deposited, looked at/used, suggestions for improvements made, etc.  I would 
>actually be willing to sponsor somebody to do 10 hours work on a tool if that 
>means I can save 20 or 30, and it may be that others would too.  
>
>If anyone else is vaguely interested in this idea, can we get a discussion 
>going, so that at least one positive thing will have come out of Rosetta?
>
>  
>

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