'Re: Running KDE apps on Apple OS X'

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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Running KDE apps on Apple OS X
From:       mk-lists () email ! de
Date:       2014-03-11 22:05:09
Message-ID: 3F3DF258-0583-41E2-93BD-AE2293CF4984 () email ! de
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Hi Ian,

thanks for your initiative!!!

I am not a software engineer - but just a Linux/MacOSX hobby-coder - and since 4 \
years I am trying to keep KMyMoney (KMM) alive on MacOSX via MacPorts during my spare \
time [0]. That’s how the two of us initially got to know each other! :-)

————— INSET ————— 
Well, here I simple MUST mention that I always had A LOT OF GREAT SUPPORT from the \
KMM developers whenever I ran into trouble getting KMM to build on MacPorts. For the \
last four years I was running MacOSX 10.6.x and since a quarter of a year I am using \
MacOSX 10.9.x - successfully building KMM 4.6.x and almost always at master’s HEAD! \
:-)

When I started using MacOSX four years ago there was KMM 1.0.3 available (still using \
KDE3) since someone else had created a functional port for it on MacPorts. :) That \
and the KMM devs helped me a lot setting up a new port for KMM 4.5 in Nov 2010! :-D \
After a while I switched over to keep my finances under control only by KMM 4.x! \
————— INSET ————— 

Well, but just you, mention there are again and again little problems with the \
underlying KDE framework. Luckily there were and up to now are very active MacPorts \
maintainers who tried/try to keep kdelibs3 and kdelibs4 afloat on MacOSX via the \
MacPorts port system. Thank god!!! To my horror I’ve seen already two maintainers \
give up on kdelibs4 in the past four years, which is a shame and very sad. I - \
personally - would find it very sad if KMM would disappear because of KDE dropping \
support for MacOSX!!!

So, I hope that this initiative might be a spark which motivates more people to get \
involved here.

I have - just like you, Ian - tried TO FIND help here on KDE-DEVEL (as well as on \
KDE-MAC) all these years and I was grateful for every hint I got - given the low \
number of MacOSX users to be found in there.

Whenever I find a bug in KMM or KDE I DO TRY TO PIN IT DOWN as much as possible and \
address it to the relevant bug reporters on https://bugs.kde.org (e.g. open [2,3]) or \
https://bugreports.qt-project.org (e.g. open [4,5]).

A most annoying bug is related to meinproc4 [6] (as you, Ian, already mentioned) \
which is bugging me on MacPorts with KMM and other KDE-apps since years. But \
unfortunately it shows a very indeterministic behaviour and I couldn’t come forward \
there. Only in Dec 2013 / Jan 2014 there was finally movement, but I haven’t yet \
followed that up… I could grab my own nose and try to investigate what had been \
changed there to find out whether other apps would build without this annoyance from \
now on, like e.g. KMM! :-/      ——>>> Would be a good thing to start with, I guess. \
8-)

————— NOTE ————— 
I am deliberately listing all those references to show that there are people trying \
their best, and I am not the only one on MacPorts, Homebrew, Fink, etc. That shall be \
enough in response to what has been uttered in this list’s thread “What to test for \
4.13" and I don’t want to put more oil into the fire but rather like to calm the \
waves and come to a constructive level. I - for my part - will always try to \
contribute as best as I can and as I have done in the past to KDE, KMM and also \
wxWidgets as another example [7]. ————— NOTE ————— 

On 11 Mar 2014, at 04:15 , Ian Wadham <iandw.au@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need some ongoing help, advice and mentoring from time to
> time as I investigate why some KDE apps run OK on Apple
> OS X and others do not.  The problem is simply stated.
So would I.

> Most KDE apps build and run well in Apple OS X.  The difficult
> ones are the more complex ones --- and the ones that are in
> demand from Apple users --- such as Digikam, Kdenlive,
> KDevelop and Amarok.
I have recently only tested kdenlive myself - and it works!!! :-) 

> The case of kbuildsysoca4 is a good example.
Yes, indeed, luckily the kdelibs4 port since then installs a user launch agent which \
takes care of running kbuildsyscoca4 periodically to avoid most of the trouble.

> But I need help, guidance and mentoring as I dive into
> KDE internals.  Any offers will be gratefully accepted.
Dito.

For completeness I want to add, that I try with scrooge to maintain also another \
alternative financial KDE-application on MacPorts [8].

Best regards to all devs on this list,
Marko

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  References

  [0] http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=name&substr=kmymoney
  [1] Thread "[Kmymoney2-developer] SUCCESS: v4.5 runs on Mac OS X” @ 2 Nov 2010
  [2] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279194
  [3] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316404
  [4] https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-19873
  [5] https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32943
  [6] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261509
  [7] http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/15345
  [8] http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=name&substr=skrooge

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