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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: High performance liquid screenshots
From:       Torsten Rahn <torsten () kde ! org>
Date:       2001-06-09 6:35:19
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On Saturday 09 June 2001 08:00, Richard Bos wrote:
> Hey why not ask apple at forehand?  

Because they will definately say: "You are not allowed to distribute this 
stuff!"?

> Of course they will say it looks the same, but they need to explain how
> much it is the same.  

They don't need to explain how much it is the same. If they feel like it they 
will just sue you.

> Why wait for
> apple. They'll see it anyhow when it is part of kde!

Yeah, sure -- we should have done the same with the MacOS-Theme back in 1999.
Maybe then they wouldn't have sent us a "nice" letter asking for removing our 
MacOS-screenshots. Probably they would have asked us to remove that theme 
from all KDE-packages instead (quite hard to do once it is shipped already by 
various distributions).

Greetings,
Tackat 

> On Friday 8 June 2001 23:49, Shawn Gordon wrote:
> > Dude - apple is the only one that has been a problem.  MS hasn't been
> > going around suing people, but apple has, and they have been very
> > aggressive about it.  At least recognize the possibility.
> >
> > At 02:46 PM 6/8/2001, you wrote:
> > >I responded to everything you said before. Even you admit none of the
> > > widgets look the same, there are not trademark infringements, etc...
> > > There is no legal reason to keep my work from KDE. Like I said, it's
> > > going in as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise *all* widget styles that
> > > look even slightly similiar to another UI must go.
> > >
> > >On Friday 08 June 2001 06:44 pm, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 23:08, mosfet wrote:
> > > > > *Nothing* was taken from Apple.
> > > >
> > > > Having had a closer look I'd say you're probably right on this one.
> > > >
> > > > > Third of all, there are no legal issues with this style. It doesn't
> > > > > even look like MacOSX, *all* the widgets look different to varying
> > > > > extents.
> > > >
> > > > Show this style to anyone who has seen MacOS X yet. I'm sure
> > > > 80% of these people will say something along the lines
> > > > "Looks like MacOS X" without even being asked.
> > > >
> > > > > Also, the themes Apple hit all were using their trademarked names
> > > > > or logos in their theme. My style engine does none of this. We have
> > > > > many styles that
> > > >
> > > > That was true last year. Afaik they recently even tried to sue
> > > > companies (like the one that produced Desktop X for Windows) which
> > > > didn't even use original artwork.
> > > >
> > > > > look similiar to other UI's. Shall I remove them all (no more
> > > > > Windows, Platinum, CDE, SGI, etc...)? Of course not, that's
> > > > > nonsense, and HPL looks more different than the ones I listed.
> > > >
> > > > These are other issues. Generally I would say that copying the look
> > > > and feel of a UI is legal (of course I'm no lawyer though). This
> > > > doesn't help you against companies with lots of lawyers and money
> > > > which try agressively to protect their ideas on look & feel (like
> > > > apple does).
> > > >
> > > > > I spent a lot of time on this engine.
> > > >
> > > > No doubt about this. And I love it and I'd really like to use this
> > > > privately. But I don't feel very comfortable with this going into CVS
> > > >
> > > > :-(
> > > > :
> > > > > As far as I'm concerned it's going in.
> > > >
> > > > If Apple would sue us would you pay the lawyers?
> > > >
> > > > Just my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Tackat.
> > > >
> > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 03:51 pm, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > > > > > Unless you want apple to drag you to court - I suggest you modify
> > > > > > those widgets... specially the close/resize/maximize buttons - it
> > > > > > looks like it just a rip of Mac OS X
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I also suggest to the KDE team NOT to include those themes
> > > > > > unless you want to deal with Apple...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hetz
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "mosfet" <mosfet@kde.org>
> > > > > > To: <kde-devel@kde.org>
> > > > > > Cc: <kde-core-devel@kde.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:06 PM
> > > > > > Subject: High performance liquid screenshots
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay, I put up some screenshots for those of you that didn't
> > > > > > > have a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > knee-jerk
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > reaction about adding new styles ;-) I'm sorry it's on
> > > > > > > Geocities, but I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > have anywhere else to put it right now. Check it out at:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/funcoder/liquid.html
> > > > > > >
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> >
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> >
> > Shawn Gordon
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