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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: High performance liquid screenshots
From:       Richard Bos <allabos () freeler ! nl>
Date:       2001-06-09 5:59:56
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Hey why not ask apple at forehand?  Of course they will say it looks the 
same, but they need to explain how much it is the same.  Why wait for apple.
They'll see it anyhow when it is part of kde!

On Friday 8 June 2001 23:49, Shawn Gordon wrote:
> Dude - apple is the only one that has been a problem.  MS hasn't been going
> around suing people, but apple has, and they have been very aggressive
> about it.  At least recognize the possibility.
>
> At 02:46 PM 6/8/2001, you wrote:
> >I responded to everything you said before. Even you admit none of the
> > widgets look the same, there are not trademark infringements, etc...
> > There is no legal reason to keep my work from KDE. Like I said, it's
> > going in as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise *all* widget styles that look
> > even slightly similiar to another UI must go.
> >
> >On Friday 08 June 2001 06:44 pm, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > > On Friday 08 June 2001 23:08, mosfet wrote:
> > > > *Nothing* was taken from Apple.
> > >
> > > Having had a closer look I'd say you're probably right on this one.
> > >
> > > > Third of all, there are no legal issues with this style. It doesn't
> > > > even look like MacOSX, *all* the widgets look different to varying
> > > > extents.
> > >
> > > Show this style to anyone who has seen MacOS X yet. I'm sure
> > > 80% of these people will say something along the lines
> > > "Looks like MacOS X" without even being asked.
> > >
> > > > Also, the themes Apple hit all were using their trademarked names or
> > > > logos in their theme. My style engine does none of this. We have many
> > > > styles that
> > >
> > > That was true last year. Afaik they recently even tried to sue
> > > companies (like the one that produced Desktop X for Windows) which
> > > didn't even use original artwork.
> > >
> > > > look similiar to other UI's. Shall I remove them all (no more
> > > > Windows, Platinum, CDE, SGI, etc...)? Of course not, that's nonsense,
> > > > and HPL looks more different than the ones I listed.
> > >
> > > These are other issues. Generally I would say that copying the look and
> > > feel of a UI is legal (of course I'm no lawyer though). This doesn't
> > > help you against companies with lots of lawyers and money which try
> > > agressively to protect their ideas on look & feel (like apple does).
> > >
> > > > I spent a lot of time on this engine.
> > >
> > > No doubt about this. And I love it and I'd really like to use this
> > > privately. But I don't feel very comfortable with this going into CVS
> > > :-(
> > >
> > > > As far as I'm concerned it's going in.
> > >
> > > If Apple would sue us would you pay the lawyers?
> > >
> > > Just my opinion.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Tackat.
> > >
> > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 03:51 pm, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > > > > Unless you want apple to drag you to court - I suggest you modify
> > > > > those widgets... specially the close/resize/maximize buttons - it
> > > > > looks like it just a rip of Mac OS X
> > > > >
> > > > > And I also suggest to the KDE team NOT to include those themes
> > > > > unless you want to deal with Apple...
> > > > >
> > > > > Hetz
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "mosfet" <mosfet@kde.org>
> > > > > To: <kde-devel@kde.org>
> > > > > Cc: <kde-core-devel@kde.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: High performance liquid screenshots
> > > > >
> > > > > > Okay, I put up some screenshots for those of you that didn't have
> > > > > > a
> > > > >
> > > > > knee-jerk
> > > > >
> > > > > > reaction about adding new styles ;-) I'm sorry it's on Geocities,
> > > > > > but I
> > > > >
> > > > > don't
> > > > >
> > > > > > have anywhere else to put it right now. Check it out at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/funcoder/liquid.html
> > > > > >
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>
> Regards,
>
> Shawn Gordon
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Richard Bos
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