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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: High performance liquid screenshots
From:       mosfet <mosfet () kde ! org>
Date:       2001-06-09 6:57:59
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Yes, they would of because the MacOS theme was called "MacOS" and directly 
imitated MacOS. So we shipped a very similiar theme with different but 
similiar artwork and all was well...

As far as going to Apple, of course if you ask them they'll probably whine, 
but that doesn't mean they'll sue you. I wouldn't necessarily be against 
going up and asking them exactly what they think, but you know, I'm doing 
this for fun to and all I want to do is have my style available for KDE2.2. 
Everything is a drama with you people.

On Saturday 09 June 2001 01:35 am, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> On Saturday 09 June 2001 08:00, Richard Bos wrote:
> > Hey why not ask apple at forehand?
>
> Because they will definately say: "You are not allowed to distribute this
> stuff!"?
>
> > Of course they will say it looks the same, but they need to explain how
> > much it is the same.
>
> They don't need to explain how much it is the same. If they feel like it
> they will just sue you.
>
> > Why wait for
> > apple. They'll see it anyhow when it is part of kde!
>
> Yeah, sure -- we should have done the same with the MacOS-Theme back in
> 1999. Maybe then they wouldn't have sent us a "nice" letter asking for
> removing our MacOS-screenshots. Probably they would have asked us to remove
> that theme from all KDE-packages instead (quite hard to do once it is
> shipped already by various distributions).
>
> Greetings,
> Tackat
>
> > On Friday 8 June 2001 23:49, Shawn Gordon wrote:
> > > Dude - apple is the only one that has been a problem.  MS hasn't been
> > > going around suing people, but apple has, and they have been very
> > > aggressive about it.  At least recognize the possibility.
> > >
> > > At 02:46 PM 6/8/2001, you wrote:
> > > >I responded to everything you said before. Even you admit none of the
> > > > widgets look the same, there are not trademark infringements, etc...
> > > > There is no legal reason to keep my work from KDE. Like I said, it's
> > > > going in as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise *all* widget styles that
> > > > look even slightly similiar to another UI must go.
> > > >
> > > >On Friday 08 June 2001 06:44 pm, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 23:08, mosfet wrote:
> > > > > > *Nothing* was taken from Apple.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having had a closer look I'd say you're probably right on this one.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Third of all, there are no legal issues with this style. It
> > > > > > doesn't even look like MacOSX, *all* the widgets look different
> > > > > > to varying extents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Show this style to anyone who has seen MacOS X yet. I'm sure
> > > > > 80% of these people will say something along the lines
> > > > > "Looks like MacOS X" without even being asked.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, the themes Apple hit all were using their trademarked names
> > > > > > or logos in their theme. My style engine does none of this. We
> > > > > > have many styles that
> > > > >
> > > > > That was true last year. Afaik they recently even tried to sue
> > > > > companies (like the one that produced Desktop X for Windows) which
> > > > > didn't even use original artwork.
> > > > >
> > > > > > look similiar to other UI's. Shall I remove them all (no more
> > > > > > Windows, Platinum, CDE, SGI, etc...)? Of course not, that's
> > > > > > nonsense, and HPL looks more different than the ones I listed.
> > > > >
> > > > > These are other issues. Generally I would say that copying the look
> > > > > and feel of a UI is legal (of course I'm no lawyer though). This
> > > > > doesn't help you against companies with lots of lawyers and money
> > > > > which try agressively to protect their ideas on look & feel (like
> > > > > apple does).
> > > > >
> > > > > > I spent a lot of time on this engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > No doubt about this. And I love it and I'd really like to use this
> > > > > privately. But I don't feel very comfortable with this going into
> > > > > CVS
> > > > >
> > > > > :-(
> > > > > :
> > > > > > As far as I'm concerned it's going in.
> > > > >
> > > > > If Apple would sue us would you pay the lawyers?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > Tackat.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 03:51 pm, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > > > > > > Unless you want apple to drag you to court - I suggest you
> > > > > > > modify those widgets... specially the close/resize/maximize
> > > > > > > buttons - it looks like it just a rip of Mac OS X
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I also suggest to the KDE team NOT to include those themes
> > > > > > > unless you want to deal with Apple...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hetz
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "mosfet" <mosfet@kde.org>
> > > > > > > To: <kde-devel@kde.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: <kde-core-devel@kde.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:06 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: High performance liquid screenshots
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Okay, I put up some screenshots for those of you that didn't
> > > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > knee-jerk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > reaction about adding new styles ;-) I'm sorry it's on
> > > > > > > > Geocities, but I
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > have anywhere else to put it right now. Check it out at:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/funcoder/liquid.html
> > > > > > > >
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> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Shawn Gordon
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