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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: Fwd: Kaboodle
From:       Cullmann Christoph <crossfire () babylon2k ! de>
Date:       2001-03-29 21:45:30
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Am Donnerstag, 29. März 2001 23:37 schrieb Neil Stevens:
> On Thursday 29 March 2001 01:16 am, Stephan Kulow wrote:
>  > I don't see the reason why we should have a media player and a
>  > lightwight media player.
>
Hi,
I would suggest to put both into kdemultimedia. Kaboodle is really very nice 
(especially for embedding) and would give the users more choise. Whats the 
problem ? Noatun really is an other class of app. Noatun is the KILLER player 
and Kaboodle is just a small fast thing for webpages and a quick song.

cu
Christoph

> OK, here's the long version of why Noatun and Kaboodle are different apps:
>
> The relationship between Noatun and Kaboodle is much like that between
> KWord and KWrite, or Pixie and KView.  Superficially they seem to do the
> same thing, but the two apps are designed to be used in different ways.
>
> Noatun is a good music player: It's set up to have you load all your
> files in a playlist, turn on some effects or not, and just let it run
> all the time.  Noatun works really well in one's session, because once
> you load a playlist, you don't ever have to load it again.  It can just
> run and run and run.
>
> If I run noatun as a music player, and have my hand-tuned playlist all
> set, I won't want to use noatun for clicking on files in KMail or
> Konqueror.  It'll mess up my playlist.  That's a tradeoff.
>
> I had thought about this for some time, but it wasn't until Kaiman was
> gone that it became more than a theoretical concern.  I saw two
> solutions: one is to have noatun work in two modes.  The other is to
> just make a separate app out of the new mode.
>
> Someone who only uses media files in one way may not need both Noatun
> and Kaboodle.  One or the other will suffice.  But playing background
> music is a task quite different viewing a movie.  mpeglib might not be
> ready for this until after KDE 2.2, but eventually Kaboodle is going to
> be able to play videos just like aKtion does - with the video embedded.
>
> OK, that's one argument, and that was my primary motivation for writing
> Kaboodle.  However, several other advantages have fallen out.  First, it
> became obvious that making a KPart plugin out of Kaboodle would be very
> useful.  Nikolas did it, and it seems to me he did a good job of it.
>
> Second, I've had people tell me that while Noatun (and arts) uses more
> cpu time than they would like, Kaboodle's cpu use is "like xmms."  I
> think this is because of all the aRts infrastructure that Noatun sets
> up, in order for the effects, visualizers, and volume control to be
> possible.  If the difference between Noatun's and Kaboodle's cpu load
> while playing is that big a deal to people on low-end machines, it seems
> to me that it can only be beneficial to include both.
>
> Even Charles thinks that Kaboodle would be better for associating with
> WAV files than Noatun, and he thinks Noatun can do everything.  :-)

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