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List:       opensuse-factory
Subject:    Re: [opensuse-factory] Can I remove locks in TW
From:       Todd Rme <toddrme2178 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2017-09-26 16:27:12
Message-ID: CADb7s=vNpdr+ZB=k=cbm2mPga014mOmBBw_TwvV4McctOapCsA () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar
<dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 17:26 +0200, Maximilian Trummer wrote:
>> Am 2017-09-26 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
>> > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 15:55 +0200, Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
>> > > zypper dup --no-recommends --no-allow-vendor-change
>> >
>> >                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >
>> > Just mentioning it again (Steter Tropfen h=C3=B6hlt den Stein): this i=
s
>> > the
>> > default in Tumbleweed for a few weeks already, see
>> > https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-07/msg00172.html
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Dominique
>> >
>>
>> Why is --no-recommends not default as well?
>
> Because it's wrong - Recommends are there to offere 'a complete'
> experiecne for applications; if you belive you can live without them,
> you can't complain if a non-madnatory feature of an application is not
> running (what you consider mandatory does not have to be mandatory for
> an application; think about a document viewer like evince: NONE of the
> formats it supports is mandatory to be supported by the viewer. Several
>  of them, though, we tagged as recommended - based on what the
> application is most often used for)
>
> We have three levels in package dependencies:
>
> Requires: the application cannot operate without this dependency
> Recommends: The application/package is usable, but can miss features.
> It's up to the packagers to get a balance here
> Suggests: Additional enhanced features can be added as suggests; An
> application can potentially do even more than what a majority expects
> of it.
>
> No doubt, though: some packages are a bit eager in recommending other
> things (e.g. xmlto, converting xml files to other formats, recommending
> texlive, really?)

That is not my package, but I personally avoid suggests since there is
no support for them in YaST2.  That means they are invisible to most
users.
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