From opensuse-factory Tue Sep 26 16:27:12 2017 From: Todd Rme Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:27:12 +0000 To: opensuse-factory Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Can I remove locks in TW Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=opensuse-factory&m=150644325808155 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote: > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 17:26 +0200, Maximilian Trummer wrote: >> Am 2017-09-26 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar: >> > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 15:55 +0200, Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote: >> > > zypper dup --no-recommends --no-allow-vendor-change >> > >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > >> > Just mentioning it again (Steter Tropfen h=C3=B6hlt den Stein): this i= s >> > the >> > default in Tumbleweed for a few weeks already, see >> > https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-07/msg00172.html >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Dominique >> > >> >> Why is --no-recommends not default as well? > > Because it's wrong - Recommends are there to offere 'a complete' > experiecne for applications; if you belive you can live without them, > you can't complain if a non-madnatory feature of an application is not > running (what you consider mandatory does not have to be mandatory for > an application; think about a document viewer like evince: NONE of the > formats it supports is mandatory to be supported by the viewer. Several > of them, though, we tagged as recommended - based on what the > application is most often used for) > > We have three levels in package dependencies: > > Requires: the application cannot operate without this dependency > Recommends: The application/package is usable, but can miss features. > It's up to the packagers to get a balance here > Suggests: Additional enhanced features can be added as suggests; An > application can potentially do even more than what a majority expects > of it. > > No doubt, though: some packages are a bit eager in recommending other > things (e.g. xmlto, converting xml files to other formats, recommending > texlive, really?) That is not my package, but I personally avoid suggests since there is no support for them in YaST2. That means they are invisible to most users. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org