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Subject:    Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?
From:       ken mays <maybird1776 () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2010-09-16 12:58:44
Message-ID: 49474.95407.qm () web111302 ! mail ! gq1 ! yahoo ! com
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HI Ashih,

Good suggestion and that is already underway in the OpenIndiana project
for 'all' compatible distros. SFW_147 is already incorporated in the OI IPS repo. \
SPEC-FILES-EXTRA packaging from the pkgbuild project is already in the works as well.

~ Ken Mays




--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Ashish Nabira <nabira@sun.com> wrote:

> From: Ashish Nabira <nabira@sun.com>
> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?
> To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
> Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 4:18 AM
> I just have a small suggestion.
> Whatever distribution we make, please make available
> packages like FreeBSD ports or Debian. That's the only way
> we can make it more popular with Admins and new users.
> 
> Ashish Nabira
> Enterprise IT Architect
> Email Ashish.Nabira@Sun.COM
> 
> 
> On 16-Sep-10, at 1:28 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> 
> > Ok, I understand your point. And it is cool with you
> > being first with several things.
> > 
> > I am only asking if all distros cooperated on one
> > single distro, would it not be better if there was
> > only one "official" community distro. It does not
> > matter to people if it is Schillix or OpenIndiana, as
> > long as the distro attracts many core developers and
> > it gets momentum. But some people would prefer a pure
> > OpenSolaris distro, and not an entirely new animal.
> > 
> > I understand there are lots of efforts invested in
> > each distro and lot of politics too. I am just
> > worried about fragmentation. Just like Unix: there
> > are Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SCO, Xenix, etc. And they
> > could not be merged, Unix continued to be fragmented.
> > And then suddenly Linux came and everyone joined it.
> > I am worried it will be the same with OpenSolaris:
> > lots of different distros and no one catch momentum.
> > But with a sader end: there is no single OpenSolaris
> > distro to emerge, but all these distros die instead.
> > 
> > I think OpenSolaris community is not really
> > interested in umpteen different distros, as Linux
> > has. Only one distro is acceptable to most people. I
> > believe. But of course, people are free to disagree.
> > > o)
> 
> Well...there are probably people that prefer for example
> * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU command
> set default
> * GNOME vs KDE (I'd still go with CDE, but it's not going
> forward and
> non-redistributable)
> * SVR4 packages vs IPS vs whatever packaging scheme Nexenta
> uses
> (there too there's a problem, inasmuch as other tools like
> beadm and zonecfg
> are also involved, although I gather it ought to be
> possible to come up with
> different versions of them for each packaging scheme that
> some distro or
> another uses)
> 
> If one wants to keep maximum compatibility with
> OpenSolaris/Solaris 11 (Express),
> then I suppose one had better grit one's teeth and accept
> IPS.  But the rest
> might well be handled mostly with additional packages for
> alternative
> command set(s) or GUIs.
> 
> But don't forget that the most commercial (i.e. developers
> that do it as
> their day job) distro outside of Oracle is probably
> Nexenta, and they
> do Debian-based packaging and command set.
> 
> So while one might be able to have one distro that tries to
> be the open
> successor to OpenSolaris (allowing most of the added value
> effort to be
> directed to additional packages rather than distro
> building), collaboration
> should exist at the level of the common source elements
> (i.e. Illumos, as
> an openly maintained ON consolidation) as well as at the
> distro maintenance
> level.
> 
> That way, when Oracle eventually releases some commercial
> product
> and subsequently dumps a bunch of code updates over the
> wall,
> everyone can work together to merge the code updates. 
> Failing to
> collaborate there would be one of the places where there
> would
> otherwise be a huge duplication of effort.  But the
> result probably
> would have to be incorporated into a distro to be tested,
> and I can't
> see there being less than two basic distros: OpenIndiana
> (or something
> like it, as the open successor to the OpenSolaris distro)
> and NexentaCore;
> since both of those variants have a base of people using it
> not just for
> a home NAS or something, but for serious purposes (i.e.
> something that
> would lose money if it didn't work).
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