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List:       kopete-devel
Subject:    Re: Kopete hacking
From:       Benson Tsai <btsai () vrwarp ! com>
Date:       2010-07-22 16:29:22
Message-ID: AANLkTin2QVsr5_m23mL9WG41dSDVKDeoLq3qYWutl6cQ () mail ! gmail ! com
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Okay, lets put it this way. You are completely wrong about vertical
space being "more important" than horizontal space. Consider for a
moment the implications of using up the vertical space. It means the
view to your buddy list becomes all the slight smaller. Now the
consequence of that is you see less contacts at any given time. BUT
that isn't a problem because most people who have been using any
instant messenger for a while probably has a buddy list that is larger
than the size of the view which means the presence of the vertical
scroll bar is inevitable. OTOH, if you try to take up horizontal space
instead, since you can't efficiently pack it you end up wasting a ton
more space than necessary. Also, please note that I provided that
example because it is a case where someone went towards the UI you're
proposing and then backed out of it.

Please explain why my contact list isn't easy to use. I agree that it
isn't a lot of bling but that is a separate issue.

--Benson

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:27,  <dantti85-dev@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>> De: Benson Tsai <btsai@vrwarp.com>
>> To be honest, the screen shot looks like a way big step backwards.
>> Plus it totally looks.. inspired by the current version msn:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/msncontactlist . If you're looking in that direction
>> for UI inspirations, then if you look at live messenger wave
>> http://tinyurl.com/msnwave4), you will notice that they have done
>> away with that vertical bar. The vertical bar not only looks ugly but
>> for your use, wastes a lot of space in general.
>
> Well msn is not multiprotocol, and those tabs are links to M$ services.
> If you look at the new MSN UI that tab went to the bottom, wasting
> vertical space which is far more important.
> 99% of the people don't use the contact list of IM full screen so
> width is always available.
>
>>The idea of filtering by account
>> is nice but I think it might make more sense just to look into the idea of
>> having multiple views for the contact list. Views being anything from simply
>> a filtered view to something more fancy like a list of contacts that you talk
>> to more often. What is cool is that since the contact list already uses
>> amodel-view design, each view can probably be implemented as a
>> fancy proxy between the model and view.
>
>
> In fact that the way I would implement that is really just a proxy that
> can setAccountFilter(...). which is usually dam simple.
>
>> By "remove" menu, I hope you
>> mean hide it by default. I think there might be some issue with kopete not
>> remembering to keep the menu hidden across sessions but that shouldn't be
>> hard to fix if it were the case.
>
> By remove I mean move and remove, remove from the title bar, save only the
> useful items and put it into a push button with a menu that have things like
> quit/configure/help.
>
>> All in all, I feel like how my contact list is currently set up a far
>> cleaner and space efficient than what you're proposing. Here is a
> screenshot:
>>http://tinyurl.com/mykopete
>
> My contact list looks just like yours and it's not eye candy nor
> easy to use.
>
>
>
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