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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: Status and Agenda for the ODF Weekend
From:       Dag Andersen <danders () get2net ! dk>
Date:       2007-04-03 11:05:20
Message-ID: 200704031305.20712.danders () get2net ! dk
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Mandag 02 april 2007 16:46 skrev Inge Wallin:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 09.41, Dag Andersen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Yeahh, not much interest has been  *shown* from the kplato quarters, but
> > I would have loved to have a standard odf format. I'm afraid it takes a
> > *lot* ( I mean a *lot*) of legwork to make a useful proposal. (Some even
> > thinks it's impossible). I'm allready running like mad to get kplato into
> > a useful state, so I absolutely have no chance at all to also look at
> > standardizing the file format :(
>
> I hope you didn't take my remark as some sort of criticism.  It was merely
Not at all! But maybe this will tickle somebodys urge to jump in ?
> an explanation. I think that KPlato has taken a very big step forward, and
> I look forward to writing a wordy announcement about it. :-)
Yeahh, there is a lot to do still, though. Some bigger things, and a lot of 
gui cleanup to make it usable. I'm not at all as far ahead as I hoped to be.
But, well, hope for the best, and ehh, hope for the best :)
>
> > I have sort of hoped somebody would step forward and do that work. There
> > is quite a lot of interest in *having* a standard, but so far noone has
> > volunteered to actually do anything about it.
>
> I think that David Faure would be the person to talk to here, regarding
> what needs to be done and suggestions about how to do it.
>
> 	-Inge
>
> > Fredag 30 marts 2007 11:07 skrev Inge Wallin:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > The ODF Weekend is shaping up fine.  We have at this time 16 confirmed
> > > participants, which is the at the limit of what the KDAB office space
> > > holds, according to Mirko. One person *cough*isaac*cough* still hasn't
> > > told me wether he'll be there or not, but I hope to get that soon.
> > >
> > > Recapitulation
> > > The KOffice ODF hack weekend will take place sat-sun May 12th-13th in
> > > the KDAB offices in Berlin.
> > >
> > > The participants are:
> > >
> > > Name		Representing (mainly)
> > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > Maintainers:
> > > David Faure	KoLibs
> > > Thomas Zander	KWord
> > > Ariya Hidayat	KSpread
> > > Thorsten Zachman	KPresenter, Kivio
> > > Jan Hambrecht	Karbon
> > > Boudewijn Rempt	Krita
> > > Inge Wallin	KChart, organizer
> > > Alfredo Beaumont	KFormula
> > >
> > > Nobody from KPlato nor Kugar has shown any interest, but then, they
> > > don't have an ODF format to code for.  Nevertheless, if anybody would
> > > be interested in representing these components, I'm sure we can find
> > > work for them too, even if the space is running low.
> > >
> > > Other developers:
> > > Martin Pfeiffer	KFormula
> > > Sebastian Sauer	Kross
> > > Philip Rodriques	Documentation, testing
> > > Anne-Marie Mahfouf	Website, testing, documentation
> > > Tobias Koenig	Okular
> > > Aaron Seigo	Kdelibs
> > >
> > > Other people:
> > > Claire Lotion	Organizer
> > > Jos Poortlivet	Press coverage
> > >
> > > As you can see, we have a very strong showing! We are especially
> > > excited to have Tobias Koenig from Okular and Aaron Seigo representing
> > > kdelibs with us. The reason for that is that they wanted to discuss how
> > > we can design our ODF support to let other applications in KDE use it.
> > > Eventually, we might be able to offer ODF support for all of KDE with a
> > > module like the current kdepimlibs. This will definitely not go into
> > > KDE 4.0, (except for Okular?), but perhaps for 4.1 and beyond.
> > >
> > > Now to the proposed agenda. David Faure has been nice enough to offer a
> > > tutorial of ODF at large and of the support classes within the Koffice
> > > libraries. He expects the tutorial to take around 1 hour, but we expect
> > > the session to be longer, since it's bound to generate discussion about
> > > design, present and future.
> > >
> > > My view is that this is will be the defining meeting for ODF in KOffice
> > > *and* KDE for a very long future. Nevertheless, we should try to get as
> > > much hacking and actual implementation done as possible.
> > >
> > > Most people (in fact everybody, as it looks now) will arrive on friday,
> > > but I don't know at what time. Therefore I propose an early start on
> > > saturday. The weekend is not long and we have a lot to accomplish.
> > >
> > > Proposed agenda:
> > > Saturday 09:00	Welcome	, important facts		Claire and Inge
> > > 	09:30	Tutorial: ODF in KOffice		David Faure
> > > 	10:30	pause
> > > 	10:45	Q&A, discussions			Led by David
> > > 	12:00	Lunch
> > > 	13:00	Hacking begins, with lots of spontaneous meetings
> > > 	18-ish	Dinner
> > >
> > > Sunday	early	Hacking and spontaneous meetings
> > > 	afternoon	People start packing and leave when they have to.
> > >
> > > One thing we could discuss, and that I want people's input on is this:
> > > Should we start the formal agenda with the tutorial already on friday?
> > > For this to work, people have to arrive on friday already before noon.
> > > Please, everybody send a mail to clairelotion@kde.nl with your arrival
> > > and departure times so we can see how it stands. Also please state your
> > > views on this issue.
> > >
> > > Equipment
> > >
> > > I expect everybody to bring a laptop with a suitable build environment
> > > and operating system. :-) KDAB has been kind enough to offer us the
> > > loan of their laptops that they use for customer training. These are
> > > dual core machines with a gigabyte of RAM, so will perform as nice
> > > compile nodes in an icecream cluster. If anybody prefers to use them
> > > instead of his/her own laptop they will also be available for that
> > > (right, Mirko?). The only drawback is that they will perhaps not be
> > > available until saturday.
> > >
> > > Sebastian Sauer, who lives in Berlin, has offered to set up and prepare
> > > the network equipment before we arrive. Thanks, dipesh!
> > >
> > > More details about lodging and other administrivia will be sent out by
> > > Claire soon.  You can email me about technical and agenda stuff and her
> > > about organizational stuff.
> > >
> > > Well met!
> > >
> > > 	-Inge and Claire

-- 
Mvh
Dag Andersen
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