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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: Status and Agenda for the ODF Weekend
From:       Inge Wallin <inge () lysator ! liu ! se>
Date:       2007-04-02 14:46:13
Message-ID: 200704021646.14054.inge () lysator ! liu ! se
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On Monday 02 April 2007 09.41, Dag Andersen wrote:
> Hi,
> Yeahh, not much interest has been  *shown* from the kplato quarters, but I
> would have loved to have a standard odf format. I'm afraid it takes a *lot*
> ( I mean a *lot*) of legwork to make a useful proposal. (Some even thinks
> it's impossible). I'm allready running like mad to get kplato into a useful
> state, so I absolutely have no chance at all to also look at standardizing
> the file format :(

I hope you didn't take my remark as some sort of criticism.  It was merely an 
explanation. I think that KPlato has taken a very big step forward, and I 
look forward to writing a wordy announcement about it. :-)

> I have sort of hoped somebody would step forward and do that work. There is
> quite a lot of interest in *having* a standard, but so far noone has
> volunteered to actually do anything about it.

I think that David Faure would be the person to talk to here, regarding what 
needs to be done and suggestions about how to do it.  

	-Inge

> Fredag 30 marts 2007 11:07 skrev Inge Wallin:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > The ODF Weekend is shaping up fine.  We have at this time 16 confirmed
> > participants, which is the at the limit of what the KDAB office space
> > holds, according to Mirko. One person *cough*isaac*cough* still hasn't
> > told me wether he'll be there or not, but I hope to get that soon.
> >
> > Recapitulation
> > The KOffice ODF hack weekend will take place sat-sun May 12th-13th in the
> > KDAB offices in Berlin.
> >
> > The participants are:
> >
> > Name		Representing (mainly)
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Maintainers:
> > David Faure	KoLibs
> > Thomas Zander	KWord
> > Ariya Hidayat	KSpread
> > Thorsten Zachman	KPresenter, Kivio
> > Jan Hambrecht	Karbon
> > Boudewijn Rempt	Krita
> > Inge Wallin	KChart, organizer
> > Alfredo Beaumont	KFormula
> >
> > Nobody from KPlato nor Kugar has shown any interest, but then, they don't
> > have an ODF format to code for.  Nevertheless, if anybody would be
> > interested in representing these components, I'm sure we can find work
> > for them too, even if the space is running low.
> >
> > Other developers:
> > Martin Pfeiffer	KFormula
> > Sebastian Sauer	Kross
> > Philip Rodriques	Documentation, testing
> > Anne-Marie Mahfouf	Website, testing, documentation
> > Tobias Koenig	Okular
> > Aaron Seigo	Kdelibs
> >
> > Other people:
> > Claire Lotion	Organizer
> > Jos Poortlivet	Press coverage
> >
> > As you can see, we have a very strong showing! We are especially excited
> > to have Tobias Koenig from Okular and Aaron Seigo representing kdelibs
> > with us. The reason for that is that they wanted to discuss how we can
> > design our ODF support to let other applications in KDE use it.
> > Eventually, we might be able to offer ODF support for all of KDE with a
> > module like the current kdepimlibs. This will definitely not go into KDE
> > 4.0, (except for Okular?), but perhaps for 4.1 and beyond.
> >
> > Now to the proposed agenda. David Faure has been nice enough to offer a
> > tutorial of ODF at large and of the support classes within the Koffice
> > libraries. He expects the tutorial to take around 1 hour, but we expect
> > the session to be longer, since it's bound to generate discussion about
> > design, present and future.
> >
> > My view is that this is will be the defining meeting for ODF in KOffice
> > *and* KDE for a very long future. Nevertheless, we should try to get as
> > much hacking and actual implementation done as possible.
> >
> > Most people (in fact everybody, as it looks now) will arrive on friday,
> > but I don't know at what time. Therefore I propose an early start on
> > saturday. The weekend is not long and we have a lot to accomplish.
> >
> > Proposed agenda:
> > Saturday 09:00	Welcome	, important facts		Claire and Inge
> > 	09:30	Tutorial: ODF in KOffice		David Faure
> > 	10:30	pause
> > 	10:45	Q&A, discussions			Led by David
> > 	12:00	Lunch
> > 	13:00	Hacking begins, with lots of spontaneous meetings
> > 	18-ish	Dinner
> >
> > Sunday	early	Hacking and spontaneous meetings
> > 	afternoon	People start packing and leave when they have to.
> >
> > One thing we could discuss, and that I want people's input on is this:
> > Should we start the formal agenda with the tutorial already on friday?
> > For this to work, people have to arrive on friday already before noon.
> > Please, everybody send a mail to clairelotion@kde.nl with your arrival
> > and departure times so we can see how it stands. Also please state your
> > views on this issue.
> >
> > Equipment
> >
> > I expect everybody to bring a laptop with a suitable build environment
> > and operating system. :-) KDAB has been kind enough to offer us the loan
> > of their laptops that they use for customer training. These are dual core
> > machines with a gigabyte of RAM, so will perform as nice compile nodes in
> > an icecream cluster. If anybody prefers to use them instead of his/her
> > own laptop they will also be available for that (right, Mirko?). The only
> > drawback is that they will perhaps not be available until saturday.
> >
> > Sebastian Sauer, who lives in Berlin, has offered to set up and prepare
> > the network equipment before we arrive. Thanks, dipesh!
> >
> > More details about lodging and other administrivia will be sent out by
> > Claire soon.  You can email me about technical and agenda stuff and her
> > about organizational stuff.
> >
> > Well met!
> >
> > 	-Inge and Claire

-- 
Inge Wallin               | Thus spake the master programmer:               |
                          |      "After three days without programming,     |
inge@lysator.liu.se       |       life becomes meaningless."                |
                          | Geoffrey James: The Tao of Programming.         |
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