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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Kicker report
From:       Eric E <whalesuit () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2001-08-16 21:43:46
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Hi everyone,

	Sorry if I'm a late starter in this discussion, but I just read the kicker 
report.  Most of the points I thought were very good.  I definitely agree 
that the window-list arrow is a very confusing item, and needs to be disabled 
by default.  However, I do like the ability to have it there - maybe it can 
be disabled by KPersonalizer?

Also,  I'd like to talk about this point ( 1-13) some more:
>Remove the "Preference" menu item from the menu that appears when one right 
>clicks on the "grip" of an applet. Move it to the menu that appears when one 
>right clicks on the applet itself.

While I agree that having to find the grip to configure the taskbar applet is 
confusing, I just wanted to be clear that we won't put that Preferences 
action a menu that appears when you click a Taskbar ENTRY.  This seems more 
confusing to me - entries in that menu should all relate to the program that 
the entry represents.

On the subject of the main menu - I generally agree that they need to be 
streamlined.  I had my first look at XP, and there's almost nothing on the 
main menu.  It's all been pushed off to submenus.  On the subject of naming 
things, I think we need to veer away from logically categorizing things, like 
putting all office productivity apps into a category called "Office", and 
wait and be guided by how novices react to decide where those things should 
go.

 I'm using Mandrake 8.0, and the out-of-the-box setup of KDE is that to use 
xmodmap to set the windows key to F13, then map the main menu to F13.  Works 
great, and I don't see why KDE couldn't do this, or why KPersonalizer 
couldn't help the user sort this out, depending on their keyboard.  BTW, in 
all the KDE packages I've ever used, Alt-F1 is the default to pop the main 
menu.

Thoughts?

Cheers,

Eric  

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