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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    RE: Some new stuff
From:       "Jonathan Bacon" <j.bacon () delta ! wlv ! ac ! uk>
Date:       2001-08-08 8:08:50
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I think that Jim has once again summed it up well. The point of this
study is find problems in usability in KDE. This has nothing to do with
bugs.kde.org - that is a different project with a different role and
purpose. This won't be a usability bugs database in the same way that is
a bugs database.

The idea here is about creating reports based upon solid testing. This
requires maintainers who can look after the proceedings. Luckily for us,
we are getting a solid team of mainters together such as Jim, Helen,
Pandu, Lee etc, and I am sure many mroe will join in. We also have a
number of others who send in comments and feedback...an area where JP
has done very well.

If you have any criticism of the study then fair enough, but the way I
see it it is better to have a go and fail then not even try at all, and
I think failure is not likely.

Like any open source project, it is about us pulling together and
joining hands and doing our best. I hope you can help us as well [ade].

	Jono

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Conner [mailto:jconner83@yahoo.com]
Sent: 08 August 2001 01:07
To: kde-usability@master.kde.org
Subject: Re: Some new stuff


Quite true.  But since this is a new list and a new project we are
trying to 
establish a method of doing this.  I can't wait till we get the
usability 
testing in full swing and reports comming in quite often.  I don't want
this 
to be an extension of  bugs.kde.org, but their format is pretty good for

keeping track of what is going on and status of stuff.  We will need
this so 
we can maintain what is in the database.   Not only the maintainers, but

everyone can submit a report about a certain app.  This can be their 
friend(new linux user) observations about a certain app.  Since I'm the 
Kicker maintainer, I don't want to have to do all the reports.  I want
more 
than one point of view.  I do plan on working with a few friends of mine
to 
get some feedback from them.  My proposed database is just IMHO a good
way of 
keeping track of this.  It will also tell us if and when the usability
issues 
have been addressed.  We will also be able to comment in there if the 
proposed changes in usability make for a coding nightmare.  I was just
trying 
to design a flexable robust database that we could use to achieve what
we 
want.  Please note that my suggestions are only that, my suggestions.
They 
are always on a take it or leave it basis.  I won't be offended if
everyone 
thinks that my suggestions are off track.  I have been wrong once or
twice in 
my life. :)  Since KDE2.2 is to be released on 8/13, most of the
usability 
reports that are written now will need to be re-evaluated after then.  I
hope 
that more people get involved to not only submit suggestions to this
mailing 
list, but to get friends and family to evaluate certain applications and

either submit usability reports or send them here so we can discuss
them.

Jim

On Tuesday August 07, 2001  5:03 pm, Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> Well, it *now* sounds like the usability stuff is becoming a
"sanitized,
> sensibilized" bugs.kde.org -- where report maintainers summarize a
bunch of
> bugs from bugs.kde.org and elsewhere and send that off. Is that really
what
> you want?
>
> As a developer, I keep pretty good track of the bugs in my app (even
if
> some of them are still open after 245 days) and then the usability
reports
> don't have much to add (specially if i'm writing them :) ).
>
> What I *would* appreciate is someone going over the app and saying
"you
> disregarded the style guide here, here and here. Here are typo's in
> strings. I don't understand how this works." But that's more a job for
a
> discussion about usability testers, not this thread on what needs to
be in
> reports.

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