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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: konqueror's kpart system usability
From:       Iñaki <ibc2 () euskalnet ! net>
Date:       2006-07-30 22:10:26
Message-ID: 200607310010.26884.ibc2 () euskalnet ! net
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El Domingo, 30 de Julio de 2006 23:07, Leo Savernik escribió:
> > Ok, that is an error, but now open a PDF embebbed in Konqueror and you'll
> > see two "Back" buttons and two "Forward" buttons (for Konqueror and
> > Kpdf_part), all of them together and above the tabs.
>
> This is a blunder. Look at kviewshell, they use the correct icons for their
> intra-page navigation. I've just reported this to the kpdf-devs
> (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131561).

A begginer in KDE doesn't know which icons are part of Konqueror naviation and 
which ones are part of the Kpart.


> > Do you really think that this is not confusing? do you think that this is
> > the best way? is it perfect as it is now?
>
> It's Good Enough(tm). Actually, the forward/back actions should be merged
> into konquerors (would be technically feasible), but given the way
> intra-page navigation is implemented for kpdf, it'd be nothing but a
> nuisance. Having them separate is the better choice.

IMHO all of them are needed. If I'm looking for info in Google and open a PDF 
I'd like to have the option of pressing "Back" (navigation) and go back to 
Google, but I need too the posibility of navigate into the PDF, so the "back" 
and "forward" kpdf buttons must be present.


> > Please, look at the following layouts:
> >
> > -  Current layout of embedded kpdf :
> >    http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~soma/bldr/kparts/konqui_kpdf_current.jpg
> >
> > -  Kpdf embedded with split toolbars:
> >    http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~soma/bldr/kparts/konqui_kpdf_suggestion.jpg
>
> I don't see how this is less confusing to a typical user. It's still the
> same icon and label, just different positions.

Yes, exactly: different possition. The actions buttons for the Kpart should be 
INSIDE the tab so the user can know by intuition which buttons belong to the 
navigation and which ones to the embebbed application.


Sincerely, I can't understand why you still insist on keeping the actual 
toolbars model. You have given no reasons to justify it.

I have read many cases of people complaining about the confusion with the 
toolbars, and you are the only person I know who insists in the actual 
model. ;)

Please, open this link:
  http://konqueror4.linuxdevel.net/
and press in the PDF tab, and after that tell me if you think that this 
toolbar model is more or less intuitive than the actual model.


Regards.



-- 
Iñaki
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