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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: What is obvious?; Context sensitive sidebars.
From:       Aaron Seigo <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date:       2005-03-12 2:09:48
Message-ID: 200503111909.53967.aseigo () kde ! org
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On March 11, 2005 18:35, Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Let me start with an example: Do you think the K at the bottom-left of the
> desktop is obvious in regards to it containing applications? To me it is.
> Yet actually it is not. 

didn't we just finish discussing how it isn't intuitive for new users? perhaps 
you could refer to that thread...

here's an interesting set of factoids about kicker:

	nearly every first time user needs to be told about the applications menu
	there are a half dozen or so configuration options that "tweakers" often ask 
about, but nobody else cares about
	there are rarely any questions on how to use kicker

for an application with as many features as kicker has, including its 
suboptimal configuration system, this is rather remarkable.

> would it be useful to write a dot.kde.org article about this

hm. i don't think so. if everybody who had an idea posted an article on theDot 
looking for developers to implement that idea we'd be inundated with articles 
that wouldn't end up leading anywhere. now... find a developer or two and get 
something going, that'd be different.

otherwise, i think on the wiki and here is a good place to deal with such 
things.

> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+Context-Sidebar

this totally fails on lower resolution screens and does not look particularly 
more useful. the toolbar seems to have been usurped for a very complex side 
bar. btw, apple these type of "attached but external sidebar" things in 
mail.app and it fell on its face.

i also think it's largely a solution looking for a problem. kmail's composer 
(shown in your screenshot) really doesn't present huge issues for the user. 
what would the sidebar provide, really?

a context sensitive sidebar in konqueror might be a good idea. personally, i'd 
prefer a context sensitive drag zone in konqueror that is always visible and 
which complements a sidebar. 

-- 
Aaron J. Seigo
Society is Geometric

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