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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: KWin decoration button position widget
From:       Aaron Seigo <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date:       2004-12-02 1:46:27
Message-ID: 200412011846.27656.aseigo () kde ! org
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On December 1, 2004 13:29, Sandro Giessl wrote:
> I was working on http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83499. What needs
> to be done there is to mark unavailable buttons in the window
> decoration KCM module. As the current button position widget
> (http://sandro.giessl.com/files/kde/kwin_kcm_buttons1.png) was hard to
> extend code-wise I want to rewrite it and improving usability while I
> am at it.
>
> Things I don't like with the current widget:
> - Can _only_ be used via drag&drop. I think buttons would be good to
> make it possible to use it via keyboard or so, alternatively to
> drag&drop.

yes

> - Hardcoded colors and look from KDE 2 (?) times. The icons in the
> pseudo-titlebar can be different from the current window decoration and
> thus confusing to the user.

well, i don't think it _confuses_ anyone, but it certainly doesn't look nice. 
what it takes is someone to update the artwork when we change the defaults, 
as a minimum.

> Trying to improve the situation I wrote a listview based widget
> (http://sandro.giessl.com/files/kde/kwin_kcm_buttons2.png):
> - drag&drop _and_ buttons
> - dropped the preview completely as it's now possible to have live
> decoration preview updates above.

some feedback:

- the listboxes are far less intuitive. what does it mean "Left Buttons", 
"Right Buttons"? what's the list in the middle" what's up with all the arrow 
buttons?  the "fake preview" is far more obvious and intuitive.

- how about making the preview able to handle keyboard focus?  Ctrl+LeftArray 
and Ctrl+RightArrow would move the focussed button in the fake preview 
left/right. and this way at most we could get away with 4 arrows (left/right, 
up/down) and they could probably sit in between the list of available buttons 
and the fake preview.

- why is the preview now outside of the tabs now?

- the Decoration drop down is in a very awkward place. this dialog is 
beginning to remind me of the old background dialog. (that's not a good thing 
=). i'd keep the decoration selection on the Window Decoration tab, to be 
honest.

- while messing with this dialog, i'd endeavour to get rid of the Border Size 
tab. it has one item on it! ug.

- it would be nice to get rid of the TItlebar Button Positions group box. it 
really messes with the visual layout of that tab.

-- 
Aaron J. Seigo
Society is Geometric

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