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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: [Kwin] kdebase/kwin/clients/b2
From:       "Jamethiel Knorth" <jamethknorth () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2004-05-16 19:25:27
Message-ID: BAY7-F88H2JZZJfwTXS000217f3 () hotmail ! com
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>From: Sandro Giessl <sandro@giessl.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:40:14 +0200
>
>Am Sunday 16 May 2004 15:21 schrieb Luciano Montanaro:
> > CVS commit by montanaro:
> >
> > Made the "Shade" tooltip dynamic. Now it says "Unshade" when the
> > window is shaded. Maybe "Roll up" and "Roll down" are better? I'm not
> > sure, since English is not my mothertongue.
> > CCMAIL: kwin@kde.org
>
>Yes, I also like the terms "Roll Up" and "Roll Down" better. But I'm not
>a native english speaker either...
>What do kde-usability people think about it?

"Shade" doesn't seem to have any real reasoning to it. The most common use 
of "Shade" is just for an area with less light, which has no relation to 
this. Then there's shading in drawing, and that's similarly unrelated. I 
assume the Mac guys picked it meaning it like a window-shade, which can be 
pulled up to reveal the window, but there also doesn't seem to be much logic 
to that.

So, yeah, "Roll Up" and "Roll Down" make more sense. I personally prefer 
"Collapse" and "Expand" because I like single-word verbs, and it allows for 
the single-word descriptors of a window being "Collapsed" or "Expanded".

Further, the term "Roll Down" is not a common phrase (in the US) while "Roll 
Up" is, so they sound a little weird together. "Roll Up" is included in most 
dictionaries due to being so common, while "Roll Down" is not.

"Expand" and "Collapse" are, also, more in tune with "Minimize", "Maximize", 
and "Restore".

"Roll Up" and "Roll Down" are a little better than shade, but I "Expand" and 
"Collapse" are even better than that.

But don't just take my word for it. Anyone else want to comment?

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