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Subject:    Re: Drag and Drop Up-One-Level
From:       Phiilipp Weissenbacher <aon.912340043 () aon ! at>
Date:       2004-05-04 18:16:48
Message-ID: 4097DE10.5020001 () aon ! at
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Jamethiel Knorth wrote:

>> From: Phiilipp Weissenbacher <aon.912340043@aon.at>
>> Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:46:01 +0200
>>
>> ra1n wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 02 May 2004 05:28, Jamethiel Knorth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was just using Konqueror to reorganize my files, and I noticed 
>>>> what was
>>>> the feature I most commonly found missing: being able to easily 
>>>> move a file
>>>> up one level.
>>>>
>>>> Would it be possible to have the up arrow be a target for 
>>>> drag-and-drop
>>>> file moving? Also, what do people think about that.
>>>>
>>>> I know that I would use it and would find it intuitive. I suspect 
>>>> that some
>>>> people would be confused by it, but I also expect that most people 
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> bump into it accidentally.
>>>>
>>>> Another problem would be that, as all the arrows all look very much 
>>>> alike,
>>>> people might expect back and forward to also be drop targets, which 
>>>> I see
>>>> as a problem. Since those often cross many protocols, it would be 
>>>> much less
>>>> consistent and harder to implement. Up-one-level is always inside 
>>>> the same
>>>> filesystem, so that problem is effectively avoided (except in the 
>>>> case of
>>>> mounted filesystems, like NFS drives and CDs, but it would still be
>>>> appropriate in those cases).
>>>>
>>>> So, any thoughts this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's an interesting feature, even reversed :-D (I was thinking of 
>>> something like MacOS's popup folders, why they cannot be implemented 
>>> in kde....at the moment only ROX implements them and they are 
>>> fabulous!)
>>> Well still looking at macOS world we could add a shelf on the 
>>> sidebar that contains devices, user locations, and the upper level 
>>> target!
>>> or we could use a "path navigation" bar like cocoatech's pathfinder 
>>> ( http://www.cocoatech.com/pf.php here are some screenshots and a 
>>> little quicktime movie of the navigation bar) it this way every 
>>> directory is listed (as a button) on the bar and could be used as 
>>> drop target.
>>> Bye Luca
>>>
>> I'm sorry I just realized my mistake. :-[
>>
>> Yeah this pathfinder thng is quite a good idea, but is currently a 
>> bit ornate (I this is the right word for this).
>>
>> The panels are a good idea, but they make the window quite fat and big.
>> Some of it's features are very nice (the folder thing on the left for 
>> example), but I think this navigation bar is not our solution, 
>> because it takes the advantages of the tabbed-broesing/file 
>> managament, wich is very important to me.
>>
>> How about this idea: The toolbar with the path is usually always 
>> visible, so why not use this?
>> We want the file 'Deployment.sxw' to be in ~/Documents/Work/ and 
>> we're currently in /~/Documents/Work/Java stuff//.
>> In the path bar we see /file:///home/foouser//Documents/Work/School/6b/
>> So we just take the drag the file onto //Documents/.
>> The [] marks the area wich's background is highlighted if we're in 
>> the toolbar: /file:///home/foouser//[Documents/]Work/School/6b/
>>
>> I'll make a screenshot (animated Gif) soon to make this better 
>> understandable.
>>
>> I hope you understand me. Any comments on this?
>
>
> It sounds like you are going to be using subtargeting on a path to 
> allow dragging to any portion of the path. I don't really like that, 
> as it requires an unnecessary level of precision. The components of a 
> path are not bounded by any widget and run right into each other. I 
> don't think it is a bad solution, but it isn't ideal. Of course, it 
> does allow everything to be targetted very easily.
>
> Also, there currently is dragging into the path, and I don't want to 
> overload one item. Currently, dragging a file inserts its path, which 
> isn't very useful. However, dragging any text to the location bar 
> inserts that text, and this can be very useful. If dragging a file 
> moves it, there is a double-meaning to dragging to the location bar, 
> which is usually to be avoided.

You're absolutely right. So we have to develope our idea further!

Cheers,
Philipp
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