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Subject:    for when apps fail to start
From:       "Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)" <amadorm () usm ! edu ! ec>
Date:       2003-12-31 10:56:49
Message-ID: 1072868209.3ff2ab71a2e45 () www ! usm ! edu ! ec
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hello everyone,

Dun you hate when you start an application from the K menu or the desktop, but 
the window simply doesn't open?  Sometimes apps fail to start, and that is a 
fact of life + =(

The startup notification sure helps in letting you know that you actually 
attempted to open the app, and is a welcome step forward.  But sometimes I 
need to open the app in a konsole window to actually see what happened, in the 
konsole window, by peeking at the stderr output.  Wouldn't it be great to have 
it show discreetly when the app fails to start or bombs out?  Even better, 
wouldnt it be great to peek to the stderr output of the app so diagnosing what 
went wrong is much faster?

Attached to this email you'll find a very crappy depiction of an idea of what 
could be done.  How far are we from getting something like this?  Could this 
be done with a minimum of fuss?  Perhaps a stderr or stdout dump can be 
incorporated to crash handler reports.  Sort of "The last words of this app 
were:" stuff.

Technically it could be done with all this startup notification things on 
the .desktop files, at least for them, although I'd love to see it work on 
programs started directly from minicli / krun.  All that needs to be done is 
to tee the stderr output of the app, and when the "failed to start" condition 
is detected, present it in the form of a kpassivepopup or some sort of balloon 
pointing to the notification button on the taskbar, or perhaps a small icon on 
the tray.

    suerte,

    Rudd-O

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