'Re: (Real) Task Orientation in KDE 4.0 using KParts'

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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: (Real) Task Orientation in KDE 4.0 using KParts
From:       "Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)" <amadorm () usm ! edu ! ec>
Date:       2003-10-22 2:03:46
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Actually, there are no Library folders in Longhorn.  The library is sort
of a Virtual folder (Think evolution) powered by WinFS which shows all
files of a certain type of media, in one place.

El dom, 12-10-2003 a las 11:37, Sebastien Laout escribiУГ:
> > This task-orientation should be taken to the desktop itself. No concept
> > of openning an application, but of realizing a task.
> > [...]
> 
> Very good idea Renato !! Perhapse the future.
> 
> I've already thinked about that and
> we can disting two sort of use for the PC :
> 
> * Project oriented : TASK (redaction, memory, report...)
>     We group all files about a same task in a folder.
>     And then, we ONLY manipulate those files and folder :
>     not the applications !
> * Usual things/files : play music, video, game... (multimedia?)
>     It isn't tasks because we cannot have a folder per "music"
>     or group all sort of MIME in an unique folder for a given time
>     (contrary to projects...)
> * Do you have any other sort of task we can execute with the PC ????
> 
> After thinking about that, I realized that was the same orientation of
> Longhorn !!!
> 
> Lorghon will have "*LIBRARY*" to represent "usual things" (do you have
> any other name than librarys ? ) :
> - Music library
> - Pictures and Videos Library
> - Games Library
> - Etc...
> 
> But we have some problems : we cannot put all images in "Image library"
> because some projects/tasks must have theire own images/pictures.
> Idem for downloads : we can downloads "generic/usual things" like
> programs, wallpapers or images to insert in the project (that can
> contain presentation, WordProcessor document...).
> 
> One solution is to rearange the save dialog and allow to save in few
> locations :
> - Put this file in the current task
> - Put the file in the task [ComboBox or IconBox]
> - Put in the image/downloads library
> So, the fileSystem disapeare and users are not confused : they do a
> memorium, so they put theire file in teire "Memorium" project/task !!
> That's all ! IMO It's a beautiful and consistant way to use the PC,
> especially for beginers.
> 
> > *View File [...]
> > *Create File [...]
> > *Edit File [...]
> 
> Let me group all those "tasks" in one.
> Let's me explain :
> 
> We can have a completly different desktop than today : no K|StartMenu
> and...
> The desktop BECOME the home folder or is deleted.
> Or better : when we start our session the desktop provide several
> options and we are asked what we want to do :
> * Start a new task >> List of templates
>    - New presentation
>    - New report
> * Continue a task  >> List of already created tasks (and not archiveds)
>    - Meet with Johana
>    - Holidays 2003
>    - My English homeworks
>    - End of month activity report
> * Reopen an archived task >> To free the tasks list
>                              for example if we have terminated our
>                              A Level report, we can archive it)
> * Do an "usualy" task >> That are not considered as tasks
>                          ie: they have not a own directory
>                              and they cannot be archived
>    - Go online and browse/chat/read_mails...
>    - "Multimedia center" : Play music, play a DVD, an XVid...
>    - Browse "My pictures" / Change wallpaper...
>    - Play a game...
> 
> We can "program" usual tasks to be started at session start : continue
> play music, etc... and/or have a "kicker applet" to control music...
> (between quotes, because we haven't need to have kicker : we doethinking
> about applications but about files in a task. See below)
> 
> So, when we have created or continue (load/open...) one task, the
> "actual folder" become the actual task folder (folder is automatically
> created at task creation, to get organized ! ).
> We now can create a new file (presentation, image...) and we think about
> files : we open those files and they appear in the "kicker" of the
> current task (to have the ability to switch quickly between files) :
> this "bicker" must be saved per task.
> We create files in the current task and the user hasn't to handerstand
> the file system structure : he only give a name to his file and that's
> all : this file is saved in the current task.
> 
> Hum... We now can be organized when we do tasks and musics are not
> considered as tasks. Good.
> 
> But Get email isn't an alone task : we can get emails to the current
> work and we want to organize them in the "Work report" project/task, for
> example...
> Idem for Web browsing : we can browse for the current work, or to get
> news...
> And also for calendar : actually we must create a directory to put all
> files relative to a task, and go to Kalendar to also create a folder for
> this task, and ALSO in KMail to create a new folder for this new task,
> and open a Konqueror window if we want to get_files/search on the web.
> But this is the same task !
> 
> The same sort of problem is for Kopete contacts / KMail contacts...
> We can have professionnal contacts, contacts for the current work
> (customers, manager, etc...)
> 
> So, we must group all those things in A TASK file the task's files.
> Actually we can use MultiDesktop to separate the apps : in Desktop1 we
> have School homework, in Desktop2 we have webBrowsing. But it isn't full
> task oriented and we must reorder that at session restart (yes : KDE can
> memorise it ! ).
> 
> > *Browse (files, the web, audiocd, lan, whatever... read Konqueror)
> 
> Browse files >> browse the current task directory PLUS
> contacts/mails/projectDownloads...
> Browse audioCD >> Must be in JuK or any other "Multimedia center"
> 
> > *Burn a CD-ROM (K3b)
> 
> We can burn to save data CD (of a task or a lot of tasks) or burn a
> music CD : must be grouped in current task AND in JuK because it isn't a
> task in it.
> 
> > *Communicate with portable device (Camera, Palm, Phone, MP3)
> 
> Yes good idea ! I haben't thinked about it.
> We also must take this in consideration.
> Idem : a PDA is quite task oriented : we must transparently create a
> task on the PC AND on the PDA and sync the current task trasnparently.
> 
> > *Manage downloads (KMLdonkey, Kget, maybe even Kopete and KSirc)
> 
> Good idea to group all sort of downloads... They are all downloads :)
> Hum... We can have a 3 А concept... How can I call them...
> "Monitors" !
> I do a task but I've a monitor in the "kicker" : music playing (and
> control : pause, forward...), current downloads (to current task or to
> Downloads "library")...
> 
> > Renato Machado de Sousa
> 
> I'm very interested by your's ideas because I've also thinked for a task
> oriented desktop.
> Hum... It could be an application that cover all the desktop or be an
> totaly new DesktopEnvironment... based on KDE, of course.
> Less drastically, we can make an application, that manage this.
> If you say that KPart can concretise my "dream"... Good news :-)
> 
> What do you think about that ?
> 
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