From kde-usability Wed Oct 22 02:03:46 2003 From: "Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:03:46 +0000 To: kde-usability Subject: Re: (Real) Task Orientation in KDE 4.0 using KParts X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-usability&m=106678804305169 Actually, there are no Library folders in Longhorn. The library is sort of a Virtual folder (Think evolution) powered by WinFS which shows all files of a certain type of media, in one place. El dom, 12-10-2003 a las 11:37, Sebastien Laout escribió: > > This task-orientation should be taken to the desktop itself. No concept > > of openning an application, but of realizing a task. > > [...] > > Very good idea Renato !! Perhapse the future. > > I've already thinked about that and > we can disting two sort of use for the PC : > > * Project oriented : TASK (redaction, memory, report...) > We group all files about a same task in a folder. > And then, we ONLY manipulate those files and folder : > not the applications ! > * Usual things/files : play music, video, game... (multimedia?) > It isn't tasks because we cannot have a folder per "music" > or group all sort of MIME in an unique folder for a given time > (contrary to projects...) > * Do you have any other sort of task we can execute with the PC ???? > > After thinking about that, I realized that was the same orientation of > Longhorn !!! > > Lorghon will have "*LIBRARY*" to represent "usual things" (do you have > any other name than librarys ? ) : > - Music library > - Pictures and Videos Library > - Games Library > - Etc... > > But we have some problems : we cannot put all images in "Image library" > because some projects/tasks must have theire own images/pictures. > Idem for downloads : we can downloads "generic/usual things" like > programs, wallpapers or images to insert in the project (that can > contain presentation, WordProcessor document...). > > One solution is to rearange the save dialog and allow to save in few > locations : > - Put this file in the current task > - Put the file in the task [ComboBox or IconBox] > - Put in the image/downloads library > So, the fileSystem disapeare and users are not confused : they do a > memorium, so they put theire file in teire "Memorium" project/task !! > That's all ! IMO It's a beautiful and consistant way to use the PC, > especially for beginers. > > > *View File [...] > > *Create File [...] > > *Edit File [...] > > Let me group all those "tasks" in one. > Let's me explain : > > We can have a completly different desktop than today : no K|StartMenu > and... > The desktop BECOME the home folder or is deleted. > Or better : when we start our session the desktop provide several > options and we are asked what we want to do : > * Start a new task >> List of templates > - New presentation > - New report > * Continue a task >> List of already created tasks (and not archiveds) > - Meet with Johana > - Holidays 2003 > - My English homeworks > - End of month activity report > * Reopen an archived task >> To free the tasks list > for example if we have terminated our > A Level report, we can archive it) > * Do an "usualy" task >> That are not considered as tasks > ie: they have not a own directory > and they cannot be archived > - Go online and browse/chat/read_mails... > - "Multimedia center" : Play music, play a DVD, an XVid... > - Browse "My pictures" / Change wallpaper... > - Play a game... > > We can "program" usual tasks to be started at session start : continue > play music, etc... and/or have a "kicker applet" to control music... > (between quotes, because we haven't need to have kicker : we doethinking > about applications but about files in a task. See below) > > So, when we have created or continue (load/open...) one task, the > "actual folder" become the actual task folder (folder is automatically > created at task creation, to get organized ! ). > We now can create a new file (presentation, image...) and we think about > files : we open those files and they appear in the "kicker" of the > current task (to have the ability to switch quickly between files) : > this "bicker" must be saved per task. > We create files in the current task and the user hasn't to handerstand > the file system structure : he only give a name to his file and that's > all : this file is saved in the current task. > > Hum... We now can be organized when we do tasks and musics are not > considered as tasks. Good. > > But Get email isn't an alone task : we can get emails to the current > work and we want to organize them in the "Work report" project/task, for > example... > Idem for Web browsing : we can browse for the current work, or to get > news... > And also for calendar : actually we must create a directory to put all > files relative to a task, and go to Kalendar to also create a folder for > this task, and ALSO in KMail to create a new folder for this new task, > and open a Konqueror window if we want to get_files/search on the web. > But this is the same task ! > > The same sort of problem is for Kopete contacts / KMail contacts... > We can have professionnal contacts, contacts for the current work > (customers, manager, etc...) > > So, we must group all those things in A TASK file the task's files. > Actually we can use MultiDesktop to separate the apps : in Desktop1 we > have School homework, in Desktop2 we have webBrowsing. But it isn't full > task oriented and we must reorder that at session restart (yes : KDE can > memorise it ! ). > > > *Browse (files, the web, audiocd, lan, whatever... read Konqueror) > > Browse files >> browse the current task directory PLUS > contacts/mails/projectDownloads... > Browse audioCD >> Must be in JuK or any other "Multimedia center" > > > *Burn a CD-ROM (K3b) > > We can burn to save data CD (of a task or a lot of tasks) or burn a > music CD : must be grouped in current task AND in JuK because it isn't a > task in it. > > > *Communicate with portable device (Camera, Palm, Phone, MP3) > > Yes good idea ! I haben't thinked about it. > We also must take this in consideration. > Idem : a PDA is quite task oriented : we must transparently create a > task on the PC AND on the PDA and sync the current task trasnparently. > > > *Manage downloads (KMLdonkey, Kget, maybe even Kopete and KSirc) > > Good idea to group all sort of downloads... They are all downloads :) > Hum... We can have a 3° concept... How can I call them... > "Monitors" ! > I do a task but I've a monitor in the "kicker" : music playing (and > control : pause, forward...), current downloads (to current task or to > Downloads "library")... > > > Renato Machado de Sousa > > I'm very interested by your's ideas because I've also thinked for a task > oriented desktop. > Hum... It could be an application that cover all the desktop or be an > totaly new DesktopEnvironment... based on KDE, of course. > Less drastically, we can make an application, that manage this. > If you say that KPart can concretise my "dream"... Good news :-) > > What do you think about that ? > > _______________________________________________ > kde-usability mailing list > kde-usability@mail.kde.org > http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability _______________________________________________ kde-usability mailing list kde-usability@mail.kde.org http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability