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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Grey out scrollbar button when border reached?
From:       "Friedrich W. H. Kossebau" <Friedrich.W.H () Kossebau ! de>
Date:       2002-08-29 9:30:24
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Dave Leigh wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday 28 August 2002 14:23, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> > Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:36, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > Today it just struck me: Why is the corresponding scroll bar button
> > > > not simply greyed out when the view has reached the corresponding
> > > > end?
> > >
> > > I think traditionally the button doesn't grey out because developers
> > > reason that the entire control should be in the same state -- either
> > > the scroll bar is enabled, or it is disabled, but not half enabled and
> > > half disabled.
> >
> > I see. Would make sense as I really can't imagine to be the first one
> > with such an idea but all the UI I came across handled it in the same
> > way. And I even think they may be right... Perhaps instead of greying
> > the respective buttons might change the icon. To a square.
> > Any other suggestions?
> 
> Sure. How's this one: don't give up so easily. I think it's a good idea, and
> in my book, the concept of the purity of the control got thrown out the
> window when somebody invented the combo-box.
> 
> I'm with Steven. I think it's more consistent, more informative, and the user
> doesn't care otherwise.

For the records: I just saw a screenshot of openoffice. Guess what one
could see there: Greyed out scrollbar buttons (where the bar had reached
the border)!

So this might be something to become a standard in KDE, too. But that is
left to others. I don't code (right now), so I don't decide ;)

Bu at least I will file a wish to the KDE bugsystem. As I am no user of
KDE 3.x I would like to know: Are there any qt/kde styles where there is
already such a feature implemented?

Friedrich

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