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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Website
From:       Marten Klencke <mklencke () gmx ! net>
Date:       2002-06-20 20:01:34
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Hi all!

I just talked to Simon on #kde-usability about how where going to go about 
improving the website.

First, we will all need to work out the structure and design on this mailing 
list, until most people agree. Once that is done, Simon and I will work on an 
initial new site and import that into CVS. Once this is done and documented 
anyone can use CVS to help.

Attached is an IRC log...

Best regards,

Marten Klencke
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["irclog.txt" (text/plain)]

[20:55:23] <Sime> say, was it you that wrote the Report php code for the website?
[20:55:44] <IntrinsiX> *feels guilty* I hacked it together
[20:55:51] <IntrinsiX> I was planning to improve it
[20:56:17] <Sime> coz, right now it's kind of a bummer. I had to comment it out to \
get the cvs working locally. [20:56:24] <IntrinsiX> but there was so little animo to \
use it that I postponed that [20:56:31] <IntrinsiX> Nobody makes use of the reports
[20:56:50] <IntrinsiX> which shouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the \
code sucks (and it does :-) [20:57:28] <Sime> yeah, I was thinking about removing it \
from the site, since it's now used much... [20:58:32] <IntrinsiX> Maybe you remember \
my post about it? I said something like "nobody uses it, do we need this at  all?", \
but some people said the concept of reports was good and it should be kept [20:58:56] \
<IntrinsiX> though even before I made the web interface nobody used it I think :-) \
[20:59:25] <Sime> well, there is at least one report out there. [20:59:33]  IntrinsiX \
nods [20:59:36] <Sime> I remember seeing one posted to the list recently.
[20:59:39] <IntrinsiX> me too
[20:59:51] <IntrinsiX> I asked the person if I should put it online, but didn't get \
an answer [21:00:05] <Sime> it should be fine I guess.
[21:00:17] <Sime> hell, it's on a public list, (+ archives)
[21:00:31] <IntrinsiX> yeah...
[21:00:58] <IntrinsiX> I'll have to dig up the XML file, but I can do it
[21:02:16] <Sime> the other problem is that the report viewer doesn't way when there \
are no reports in the DB. :-/ [21:03:11] <IntrinsiX> uh-hu
[21:03:27] <Sime> that's why everything thinks it is broken.
[21:03:36] <IntrinsiX> The error-checking is also very weak
[21:03:53] <IntrinsiX> I was kind of pressed to get the whole thing online at the \
time [21:04:02] <IntrinsiX> and then when it was, nobody really cared
[21:04:10] <IntrinsiX> so that's why it has kind of sunken away
[21:05:34] <Sime> are you studying? or...
[21:05:48] <IntrinsiX> yup, first year uni
[21:06:00] <IntrinsiX> almost done, so I have some time for KDE again :-)
[21:07:59] <Sime> I'm working full time. Programmer, website dev.
[21:08:30] <IntrinsiX> cool
[21:09:46] <IntrinsiX> If I show the usability.kde.org site code I think I won't get \
a job af a website developer ;-) [21:10:02] <Sime> you would be surprised...
[21:10:28] <Sime> how/who does the CVS for the website get onto the site anyway?
[21:11:15] <IntrinsiX> Now I don't think it works
[21:11:50] <IntrinsiX> Chris (Howells) turned the syncing off when we put the new \
site online [21:12:04] <IntrinsiX> and then the idea was to import it and turn \
syncing back on [21:12:05] <Sime> so who's in charge?
[21:12:09] <IntrinsiX> but it never happened I think
[21:12:41] <IntrinsiX> right now, I have the passwords etc
[21:12:56] <IntrinsiX> Don't know what happened to Jono, he was the other maintainer \
(and founder) [21:13:25] <Sime> yes, I saw  his name on the site
[21:13:29] <IntrinsiX> so, as you can see, the project is kind of fragmented right \
now :-( [21:13:31] <Sime> But I've never seen him on the list
[21:13:45] <Sime> it's getting better , I think
[21:13:52] <IntrinsiX> me too
[21:14:00] <IntrinsiX> especially the list works pretty well
[21:14:04] <Sime> which is why I want to fix the site
[21:15:39] <IntrinsiX> I can of course help (document/explain code/structures, build \
new things in a better fashion) [21:16:54] <Sime> the main thing is that the project \
*appear* to be alive and healthy. [21:19:45] <IntrinsiX> yup. the website should \
indicate the vitality [21:20:17] <IntrinsiX> Hey, I'm sorry but I gotta go. I'll be \
back later this evening [21:20:23] <IntrinsiX> bbl
[21:20:26] <Sime> cya
[21:20:29]  IntrinsiX is away: bbl
[21:20:30]  You are marked as being away
[21:23:40]  IntrinsiX is back
[21:23:41]  You are no longer marked as away
[21:25:17] <IntrinsiX> hi
[21:25:42] <IntrinsiX> that was quick :-)
[21:25:44] <IntrinsiX> anyway
[21:27:38] <IntrinsiX> I was thinking, how do we organize the improvement of the \
site? Using the mailing list & wiki  for the design and then cvs for development?
[21:29:31] <Sime> umm..... mmmm
[21:29:55] <IntrinsiX> since I worked alone at the time, I didn't use CVS. And I also \
can't set it up because I don't  have enough Karma. I should mail David Faure about \
the Karma or ask Chris to create a new branch. He's more  experienced with CVS and I \
don't want to mess things up [21:30:42] <Sime> What do you mean? you can set up CVS \
at home, and get a proper CVS account... [21:32:40] <IntrinsiX> Yes, but we also need \
to get it into the KDE CVS. For that, a new branch needs to be created  (so the old \
site is preserved) [21:33:12] <IntrinsiX> The very original site is pretty different, \
so a simple update won't work nicely [21:33:20] <IntrinsiX> the current site never \
entered cvs [21:34:12] <Sime> errr.... then what  did I pull out of cvs.kde.org?
[21:34:55] <IntrinsiX> I guess the site that Jono originally made
[21:35:09] <Sime> you mean, you want a new branch, before going nuts on the site. :)
[21:35:37] <IntrinsiX> :-)
[21:36:24] <IntrinsiX> Yes, when I made the changes they were pretty major, so the \
site became very different from  Jono's. An improved site will become even more \
different, so it's better to start with a clean branch [21:37:36] <Sime> true
[21:38:14] <Sime> so, basically you don't know who has the Rights to create a new \
branch in the CVS? [21:38:25] <IntrinsiX> Chris
[21:39:06] <Sime> ok
[21:39:26] <IntrinsiX> shall I mail him?
[21:39:38] <Sime> good idea.
[21:40:18] <IntrinsiX> alhtough we need an initial site to import right? how much \
different do you think the improved  site will become from the current?
[21:41:59] <Sime> i just had a look at the cvs...
[21:42:00] <IntrinsiX> damn, I just switched over to #kde and saw Chris leave :-)
[21:42:09] <Sime> probably quite different. :)
[21:42:30] <Sime> the site structure I proposed is fairly different
[21:42:45] <IntrinsiX> yes
[21:42:50] <Sime> its kind of handy if the dir structure looks like the site.
[21:43:05] <IntrinsiX> definitely
[21:43:20] <IntrinsiX> then I'll sort out the CVS stuff once we got an initial site \
structure to import [21:45:11] <Sime> so how do you want to do it?
[21:46:35] <IntrinsiX> someone has to start :-)
[21:47:47] <IntrinsiX> I think we should finely sort out the structure on the mailing \
list and the one of us (us being  the people on the list) has to make an initial \
import after which others can join the development [21:48:34] <Sime> ok, once the \
structure is fairly setted, dirs can be made etc [21:48:37] <IntrinsiX> I don't think \
it would work to all start working on it together since then there is no initial  \
structure [21:48:55] <IntrinsiX> it would become a mess
[21:49:09] <IntrinsiX> yup, that's a good plan for a start
[21:49:30] <IntrinsiX> shall I post a log of this conversation to the mailing list?
[21:50:35] <Sime> :-) maybe just a summary... the strategy is simple.
[21:50:50] <Sime> and I've already thrown some ideas on the list.
[21:50:57] <IntrinsiX> ok
[21:51:46] <Sime> shall I set up the initial structure, and the new menu code?
[21:52:42] <IntrinsiX> ok, if that code is obvious enough. otherwise just ask me to \
clarify it [21:54:36] <Sime> it depends really on if you keep the report php code... \
maybe leave it out for now and add it later  if needed
[21:54:45] <Sime> maybe after a clean up too... ;-)
[21:55:55] <IntrinsiX> that definitely :-)


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