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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Criticism of F9 Fairness. (Jos? Matos)
2. Re: Criticism of F9 Fairness. (Eli Wapniarski)
3. Re: Criticism of F9 Fairness. (Rex Dieter)
4. Upgrade to kdegraphics-3.5.9-2.fc8 Breaks Things (Richard Heck)
5. Re: Upgrade to kdegraphics-3.5.9-2.fc8 Breaks Things (Rex Dieter)
6. Re: Upgrade to kdegraphics-3.5.9-2.fc8 Breaks Things
(Richard Heck)
7. Re: Upgrade to kdegraphics-3.5.9-2.fc8 Breaks Things
(Richard Heck)
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On Tuesday 17 June 2008 05:44:46 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I've been mostly staying out of this debate because I'm not a voting
> member. However, I must say that most of the criticism that I've read on
> the net has been quite fair regarding Fedora 9.
>
> While being experimental people rely on it also to get their work done.
> Problems with NVidia drivers,
Ugh?
That means no new xorg release ever as nvidia is waiting for a distribution to
release the new version. If all the distributions wait for nvidia we then have
a deadlock. The criticism should be directed to nvidia, not fedora.
> Xinerama problems with X Windows. (IMHO and
> with much appreciation to the very hard work everyone is putting into
> Fedora) a brain dead KDE 4.0x. And everyone caught in the same RH 8 mode of
> thinking that because its newer its got to be better.
This is a non-argument. Come you should at least test what you are going into
and with the new live images (as there are for KDE in Fedora) you don't even
need to install to test it. :-)
> Bleeding edge thats great. But not so edgy that the users relying on the
> software start bleeding. We rely on and need our desktop to play games, do
> real work, surf the net, access information on computers and on the network
> etc.
Fedora 8 is still supported, what is holding you from staying there? Notice
that this is a general question, not necessarily addressed at you. :-)
By some standard even F-8 is still and edge distribution (I am not thinking
about Debian before you ask ;-) ).
> Please consider this when putting out Fedora 10. Maybe its time to slow
> down a little and take a breath huh? Just a little :).
I surely hope not. The Fedora motto is to follow upstream and that is a good
motto even if sometimes brings some inconveniences. :-)
> Eli
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Quoting "José Matos" <jamatos@fc.up.pt>:
> On Tuesday 17 June 2008 05:44:46 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > Hi Everyone.
> >
> > I've been mostly staying out of this debate because I'm not a voting
> > member. However, I must say that most of the criticism that I've read on
> > the net has been quite fair regarding Fedora 9.
> >
> > While being experimental people rely on it also to get their work done.
> > Problems with NVidia drivers,
>
> Ugh?
> That means no new xorg release ever as nvidia is waiting for a
> distribution to
> release the new version. If all the distributions wait for nvidia we
> then have
> a deadlock. The criticism should be directed to nvidia, not fedora.
Firstly, I've been prodding NVidia through nvnews for about a month concerning legacy \
drivers. They say they're coming but... Its still frustrating. No... It means Beta \
software is Beta software and should not be released as a final. The fault lies with \
Fedora as well as Nvidia for releasing a Final Fedora release with fundamental \
software that every other graphical platform depends on and is known to be \
fundementally flawed... How do you know that.... Its Beta duh.
>
> > Xinerama problems with X Windows. (IMHO and
> > with much appreciation to the very hard work everyone is putting into
> > Fedora) a brain dead KDE 4.0x. And everyone caught in the same RH 8 mode of
> > thinking that because its newer its got to be better.
>
> This is a non-argument. Come you should at least test what you are going into
> and with the new live images (as there are for KDE in Fedora) you don't even
> need to install to test it. :-)
>
Maybe... If I can find the time. But in the meantime I still need to get my stuff \
done.
> > Bleeding edge thats great. But not so edgy that the users relying on the
> > software start bleeding. We rely on and need our desktop to play games, do
> > real work, surf the net, access information on computers and on the network
> > etc.
>
> Fedora 8 is still supported, what is holding you from staying there? Notice
> that this is a general question, not necessarily addressed at you. :-)
I am using it. The question is will the problems be fixed before Fedora 10 and end of \
life of Fedora 8. And if not then where does that leave me.
>
> By some standard even F-8 is still and edge distribution (I am not thinking
> about Debian before you ask ;-) ).
>
Maybe so.... But at least everything that I need it to do, it does.
> > Please consider this when putting out Fedora 10. Maybe its time to slow
> > down a little and take a breath huh? Just a little :).
I rely on you guys to help me get through my day.
>
> I surely hope not. The Fedora motto is to follow upstream and that is a good
> motto even if sometimes brings some inconveniences. :-)
>
> > Eli
>
> --
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Quoting "José Matos" <jamatos@fc.up.pt>:<br />
<br />
> On Tuesday 17 June 2008 05:44:46 Eli Wapniarski wrote:<br />
>> Hi Everyone.<br />
>><br />
>> I've been mostly staying out of this debate because I'm not a \
voting<br />
>> member. However, I must say that most of the criticism that I've \
read on<br /> >> the net has been quite fair regarding Fedora 9.<br />
>><br />
>> While being experimental people rely on it also to get their \
work done.<br /> >> Problems with NVidia drivers,<br />
><br />
> Ugh?<br />
> That means no new xorg release ever as nvidia is waiting for a<br />
> distribution to<br />
> release the new version. If all the distributions wait for nvidia \
we<br /> > then have<br />
> a deadlock. The criticism should be directed to nvidia, not \
fedora.<br /> <br />
Firstly, I've been prodding NVidia through nvnews for about a month \
concerning legacy drivers. They say they're coming but... Its still frustrating. \
No... It means Beta software is Beta software and should not be released as a final. \
The fault lies with Fedora as well as Nvidia for releasing a Final Fedora release \
with fundamental software that every other graphical platform depends on and is known \
to be fundementally flawed... How do you know that.... Its Beta duh.<br /> <br />
><br />
>> Xinerama problems with X Windows. (IMHO and<br />
>> with much appreciation to the very hard work everyone is putting \
into<br />
>> Fedora) a brain dead KDE 4.0x. And everyone caught in the same \
RH 8 mode of<br />
>> thinking that because its newer its got to be better.<br />
><br />
> This is a non-argument. Come you should at least test what you are \
going into<br />
> and with the new live images (as there are for KDE in Fedora) you \
don't even<br /> > need to install to test it. :-)<br />
><br />
<br />
Maybe... If I can find the time. But in the meantime I still need to get \
my stuff done.<br /> <br />
>> Bleeding edge thats great. But not so edgy that the users \
relying on the<br />
>> software start bleeding. We rely on and need our desktop to play \
games, do<br />
>> real work, surf the net, access information on computers and on \
the network<br /> >> etc.<br />
><br />
> Fedora 8 is still supported, what is holding you from staying there? \
Notice<br />
> that this is a general question, not necessarily addressed at you. \
:-)<br /> <br />
I am using it. The question is will the problems be fixed before Fedora \
10 and end of life of Fedora 8. And if not then where does that leave me.<br /> <br \
/> ><br />
> By some standard even F-8 is still and edge distribution (I am not \
thinking<br /> > about Debian before you ask ;-) ).<br />
><br />
<br />
Maybe so.... But at least everything that I need it to do, it does.<br />
<br />
<br />
>> Please consider this when putting out Fedora 10. Maybe its time \
to slow<br />
>> down a little and take a breath huh? Just a little :).<br />
<br />
I rely on you guys to help me get through my day.<br />
<br />
><br />
> I surely hope not. The Fedora motto is to follow upstream and that \
is a good<br />
> motto even if sometimes brings some inconveniences. :-)<br />
><br />
>> Eli<br />
><br />
> --<br />
> José AbÃlio<br />
><br />
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Criticism of F9 Fairness.
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Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> While being experimental people rely on it also to get their work done.
> Problems with NVidia drivers, Xinerama problems with X Windows.
NVidia is nothing but NVidia's problems. srsly.
Xinerama? can't comment, not aware of any issues there.
> with much appreciation to the very hard work everyone is putting into Fedora)
> a brain dead KDE 4.0x.
Calling it brain dead is a bit harsh, but you do have a point, here's
some more interesting reading:
http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/16734.html
-- Rex
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Subject: [kde-redhat-users] Upgrade to kdegraphics-3.5.9-2.fc8 Breaks Things
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In particular, neither kdvi nor kpdf will work now. The former gives me
"No viewing component found", and the latter gives me "Unable to find
kpdf part".
Richard
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Richard Heck wrote:
> In particular, neither kdvi nor kpdf will work now. The former gives me
> "No viewing component found", and the latter gives me "Unable to find
> kpdf part".
worksforme.
Installing AdobeReader has been known to break kdegraphics in the past,
you didn't happen to have installed it too recently? :)
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Richard Heck wrote:
> In particular, neither kdvi nor kpdf will work now. The former gives me
> "No viewing component found", and the latter gives me "Unable to find
> kpdf part".
>
>
And moreover, kghostview is crashing on startup; and kview reports:
kview: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeinit_kview.so: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
It seems that /usr/lib64/libkdeinit_kview.so no longer exists---though
locate reports it as being there, since it was before:
[rgheck@bootp-27 arche]$ ls `locate libkdeinit_kview`
ls: cannot access /usr/lib64/libkdeinit_kview.so: No such file or directory
/usr/lib64/libkdeinit_kview.la /usr/lib/libkdeinit_kview.la
rh
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Rex Dieter wrote:
> Richard Heck wrote:
>
>> In particular, neither kdvi nor kpdf will work now. The former gives me
>> "No viewing component found", and the latter gives me "Unable to find
>> kpdf part".
>>
>
> worksforme.
>
> Installing AdobeReader has been known to break kdegraphics in the past,
> you didn't happen to have installed it too recently? :)
>
>
Not sure when that was installed. A while ago, but I haven't used this
machine for a while, and I did the upgrade since then. Should I try
uninstalling AdobeReader?
rh
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