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Subject: Re: [kde-promo] [kde-artists] New start sound - Discussion.
From: Djuro Drljaca <djurodrljaca () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-05-30 11:20:15
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Hello,
from what I remember (I restart the PC rarely and speakers are not always
on when it logs in) there are also performance issues with playing the
login sound. It has happened a lot of times that sound playback was really
weird/choppy during login. This could be due to the sound card driver or
(most probably) pulse audio.
So I can understand where the idea to remove login sound comes from ... but
this mostly a workaround of the actual problem(s) and not a proper
solution...
Regards,
Djuro Drljaca
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@kde.org> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 30, 2013 09:13:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > I don't think it's a good idea to disable login sounds.
> > Sure, they have no practical use, but they are a very important part of
> > sound branding (
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_trademark#Sound_branding ). That's
> why
>
> The reasons for having turned off the login sound are:
>
> * It often starts at an unpredictable time due to the mechanics of the
> startup
> procedure and the wonder that is free software audio; this is only going to
> become worse as we move to increasingly parallelized startup where
> dependencies are determined at runtime by access (the systemd model, e.g.)
>
> * The sounds for KDE are not well integrated into the branding. That the
> log
> in/out sounds are extremely long does not help.
>
> * They is no realistic benefit to our branding from the sound due to low
> public
> usage (as you noted in your own email)
>
> * They are configurable .. which destroys hope of branding
>
> * They are annoying as hell (regardless of platform). We've opted for
> elegance
> for the user rather than attempts to inject our brand into the environment.
>
> Things that could improve the above and which would cause at least me to
> re-
> assess this decision:
>
> * Integrate the startup sound with either the splash screen or the session
> manager (e.g. ksmserver), skip the knotification thing path altogether and
> ensure the sound is played via a low-(enough-)latency mechanism. This would
> remove some of the awkwardness of the current sound timing.
>
> * Produce a sound that is actually memorable, meshes with the KDE branding
> goals (e.g. projection of elegance) and is no more than a couple seconds
> long.
> A simple, calm, recognizable sound that lasts ~1 second would be great
> imho.
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hello,<br><br></div>from what I remember (I \
restart the PC rarely and speakers are not always on when it logs in) there are also \
performance issues with playing the login sound. It has happened a lot of times that \
sound playback was really weird/choppy during login. This could be due to the sound \
card driver or (most probably) pulse audio.<br> <br></div>So I can understand where \
the idea to remove login sound comes from ... but this mostly a workaround of the \
actual problem(s) and not a proper solution...<br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Djuro \
Drljaca<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, \
May 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org" target="_blank">aseigo@kde.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="im">On Thursday, May 30, 2013 09:13:37 \
Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:<br> > I don't think it's a good idea to disable \
login sounds.<br> > Sure, they have no practical use, but they are a very \
important part of<br> > sound branding (<br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_trademark#Sound_branding" \
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_trademark#Sound_branding</a> ). \
That's why<br> <br>
</div>The reasons for having turned off the login sound are:<br>
<br>
* It often starts at an unpredictable time due to the mechanics of the startup<br>
procedure and the wonder that is free software audio; this is only going to<br>
become worse as we move to increasingly parallelized startup where<br>
dependencies are determined at runtime by access (the systemd model, e.g.)<br>
<br>
* The sounds for KDE are not well integrated into the branding. That the log<br>
in/out sounds are extremely long does not help.<br>
<br>
* They is no realistic benefit to our branding from the sound due to low public<br>
usage (as you noted in your own email)<br>
<br>
* They are configurable .. which destroys hope of branding<br>
<br>
* They are annoying as hell (regardless of platform). We've opted for \
elegance<br> for the user rather than attempts to inject our brand into the \
environment.<br> <br>
Things that could improve the above and which would cause at least me to re-<br>
assess this decision:<br>
<br>
* Integrate the startup sound with either the splash screen or the session<br>
manager (e.g. ksmserver), skip the knotification thing path altogether and<br>
ensure the sound is played via a low-(enough-)latency mechanism. This would<br>
remove some of the awkwardness of the current sound timing.<br>
<br>
* Produce a sound that is actually memorable, meshes with the KDE branding<br>
goals (e.g. projection of elegance) and is no more than a couple seconds long.<br>
A simple, calm, recognizable sound that lasts ~1 second would be great imho.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Aaron J. Seigo</font></span><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel</a><br> \
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
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