Hello,

from what I rememb= er (I restart the PC rarely and speakers are not always on when it logs in)= there are also performance issues with playing the login sound. It has hap= pened a lot of times that sound playback was really weird/choppy during log= in. This could be due to the sound card driver or (most probably) pulse aud= io.

So I can understand where the idea to remove login sound comes fr= om ... but this mostly a workaround of the actual problem(s) and not a prop= er solution...

Regards,

Djuro Drljaca

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Aaron J= . Seigo <aseigo@kde.org> wrote:

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 09:13:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:=
> I don't think it's a good idea to disable login sounds.
> Sure, they have no practical use, but they are a very important part o= f
> sound branding (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_trademark#Sound_bran= ding ). That's why

The reasons for having turned off the login sound are:

* It often starts at an unpredictable time due to the mechanics of the star= tup
procedure and the wonder that is free software audio; this is only going to=
become worse as we move to increasingly parallelized startup where
dependencies are determined at runtime by access (the systemd model, e.g.)<= br>
* The sounds for KDE are not well integrated into the branding. That the lo= g
in/out sounds are extremely long does not help.

* They is no realistic benefit to our branding from the sound due to low pu= blic
usage (as you noted in your own email)

* They are configurable .. which destroys hope of branding

* They are annoying as hell (regardless of platform). We've opted for e= legance
for the user rather than attempts to inject our brand into the environment.=

Things that could improve the above and which would cause at least me to re= -
assess this decision:

* Integrate the startup sound with either the splash screen or the session<= br> manager (e.g. ksmserver), skip the knotification thing path altogether and<= br> ensure the sound is played via a low-(enough-)latency mechanism. This would=
remove some of the awkwardness of the current sound timing.

* Produce a sound that is actually memorable, meshes with the KDE branding<= br> goals (e.g. projection of elegance) and is no more than a couple seconds lo= ng.
A simple, calm, recognizable sound that lasts ~1 second would be great imho= .

--
Aaron J. Seigo
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