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Subject: Re: Review Request 128097: optional mode to draw checked menu items with only a check mark
From: Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer () kde ! org>
Date: 2016-06-05 12:11:53
Message-ID: 20160605121153.29452.46821 () mimi ! kde ! org
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First of all, as for any visual changes: Please provide before/after screenshots so \
that designers can do visual reviews.
Second: I am strictly against making this an option. Either it's an improvement, then \
it should always be like that, or it isn't an improvement, than it should be dropped. \
We should not offer a config option for every tine tweak, it just overcomplicates our \
config UIs for little gain. This is not something so fundamental that that some users \
_need_ it while others _can't stand it_.
So: The VDG will decide - after we've seen screenshots - whether checked menu items \
should use a checkmark or not, but making this an option will never get a "ship it" \
from the usability side.
- Thomas Pfeiffer
On June 4, 2016, 7:53 p.m., René J.V. Bertin wrote:
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> (Updated June 4, 2016, 7:53 p.m.)
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> Review request for KDE Software on Mac OS X, Plasma and Yichao Yu.
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> Repository: qtcurve
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> Description
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> This introduces an option (hidden for now) to adorn checked menu items with only a \
> check mark rather than the same widget that is used for checkboxes or radio buttons \
> (for sets of mutually exclusive menu items).
> Initially I implemented this by simply skipping the widget "box" and drawing only \
> the checkbox tick for both kinds of menu items (cf. \
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363895). I then realised that this looks weird \
> when the user uses a very tall or tiny font (or has a high DPI screen). Therefore \
> the check is now generated using the UniCode `Check Mark` glyph (? cf. \
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2713/index.htm) rendered in the menu \
> font (or `Apple Symbols`, on OS X).
> A new member is introduced in the `Options` structure that controls this new \
> behaviour. Its value is read from and written to the config file, but I have not \
> yet implemented its UI control through the configuration interface. I'll want some \
> guidance for that step.
> I propose to make this the default behaviour on OS X, so that popup menus can be \
> closer in appearance to the native menus from the toplevel menubar (those menus are \
> not rendered through Qt, and use a single check mark too).
> The GTk2 style already rendered checked menu items like this so I did not change \
> anything there (and don't really plan to touch that code at all).
>
> Diffs
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> gtk2/common/common.h cb0ec87
> gtk2/common/config_file.cpp 96936e2
> qt4/common/common.h 313db33
> qt4/common/config_file.cpp c58ad1a
> qt4/style/qtcurve.cpp 951ec1a
> qt5/common/common.h bb103fd
> qt5/common/config_file.cpp 362381a
> qt5/style/qtcurve_api.cpp b8535da
> qt5/style/qtcurve_primitive.cpp a8a2bed
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> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/128097/diff/
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> Testing
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> On OS X 10.9 and Linux with Qt 4.8.7 and Qt 5.6.0 .
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>
> Thanks,
>
> René J.V. Bertin
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
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0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">First \
of all, as for any visual changes: Please provide before/after screenshots so that \
designers can do visual reviews.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Second: I am strictly \
against making this an option. Either it's an improvement, then it should always be \
like that, or it isn't an improvement, than it should be dropped. We should not offer \
a config option for every tine tweak, it just overcomplicates our config UIs for \
little gain. This is not something so fundamental that that some users <em \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
normal;">need</em> it while others <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">can't stand it</em>.</p> \
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">So: The VDG will decide - after we've seen screenshots \
- whether checked menu items should use a checkmark or not, but making this an option \
will never get a "ship it" from the usability side.</p></pre> <br />
<p>- Thomas Pfeiffer</p>
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<p>On June 4th, 2016, 7:53 p.m. UTC, René J.V. Bertin wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for KDE Software on Mac OS X, Plasma and Yichao Yu.</div>
<div>By René J.V. Bertin.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated June 4, 2016, 7:53 p.m.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
qtcurve
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">This introduces an option (hidden for now) to adorn \
checked menu items with only a check mark rather than the same widget that is used \
for checkboxes or radio buttons (for sets of mutually exclusive menu items).</p> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">Initially I implemented this by simply skipping the widget "box" and \
drawing only the checkbox tick for both kinds of menu items (cf. \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363895). I then realised that this looks weird \
when the user uses a very tall or tiny font (or has a high DPI screen). Therefore the \
check is now generated using the UniCode <code style="text-rendering: inherit;color: \
#4444cc;padding: 0;white-space: normal;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;">Check \
Mark</code> glyph (? cf. http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2713/index.htm) \
rendered in the menu font (or <code style="text-rendering: inherit;color: \
#4444cc;padding: 0;white-space: normal;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;">Apple \
Symbols</code>, on OS X).</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: \
0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">A new member is introduced in the <code \
style="text-rendering: inherit;color: #4444cc;padding: 0;white-space: normal;margin: \
0;line-height: inherit;">Options</code> structure that controls this new behaviour. \
Its value is read from and written to the config file, but I have not yet implemented \
its UI control through the configuration interface. I'll want some guidance for that \
step.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I propose to make this the default behaviour on OS X, \
so that popup menus can be closer in appearance to the native menus from the toplevel \
menubar (those menus are not rendered through Qt, and use a single check mark \
too).</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">The GTk2 style already rendered checked menu items \
like this so I did not change anything there (and don't really plan to touch that \
code at all).</p></pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Testing </h1>
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1px solid #b8b5a0"> <tr>
<td>
<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">On OS X 10.9 and Linux with Qt 4.8.7 and Qt 5.6.0 \
.</p></pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>gtk2/common/common.h <span style="color: grey">(cb0ec87)</span></li>
<li>gtk2/common/config_file.cpp <span style="color: grey">(96936e2)</span></li>
<li>qt4/common/common.h <span style="color: grey">(313db33)</span></li>
<li>qt4/common/config_file.cpp <span style="color: grey">(c58ad1a)</span></li>
<li>qt4/style/qtcurve.cpp <span style="color: grey">(951ec1a)</span></li>
<li>qt5/common/common.h <span style="color: grey">(bb103fd)</span></li>
<li>qt5/common/config_file.cpp <span style="color: grey">(362381a)</span></li>
<li>qt5/style/qtcurve_api.cpp <span style="color: grey">(b8535da)</span></li>
<li>qt5/style/qtcurve_primitive.cpp <span style="color: grey">(a8a2bed)</span></li>
</ul>
<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/128097/diff/" style="margin-left: \
3em;">View Diff</a></p>
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