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Subject: 5.4 Kickoff Meeting Minutes
From: Jonathan Riddell <jr () jriddell ! org>
Date: 2015-04-30 15:59:36
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Plasma 5.4 Kickstart Meeting
= schedule agreement https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
-
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=031gkgqg1hjf8lcmj0em1d2sj8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Madrid
- agreed
= what will happen with baloo/kfilemetadata/baloo-widgets
- move baloo/kfilemetadata in july
- release baloo-widgets with applications (standalone or as part of
dolphin)
- added to TODO
= consider moving kio-extras to applications in july too
- added to TODO
= Review TODO items
https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=shttps://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8how&project_id=44
- cards were moved
= consider if systemd-kcm should be included
- needs UI review and use cases
- Jonathan proposed to include it but as standalone tar
- sebas to reply on mailing list
- discussion to continue on mailing list
= Dividing up the most major bugs in 5.3.0 between us for priority fixing
- bugs were allocated
- except ksyscoca as root + sudo putting root files in $HOME/.cache,
discussion continued on IRC
= different wallpapers on different virtual desktops. We should discuss it
a bit
- push bblas
- d_ed to send jens bug report
- get VDG onto nice designs for activities
- ivan to be voluntold
= System Tray - speaking of recurring piece of feedback: xembed systray
- qt 4 apps can use the sni patch but only if distros pick it up and
sni-qt is installed which isn't always the case with e.g. skype
- gtk old API apps need ported to new API
- we don't want to implement xembed (which gnome has). conclusion: sit it
out
- kubuntu to add to kubuntu-notifier to install sni-qt:i386 with skype
- jr to report to firefox/thunderbird extensions
- jr to report to wine [ Lync and office with sharepoint only work in
windows or wine]
- jr to report to dropbox
- others problems include keepassx systray-on-start apps, wine
= New CI intro - sgclark
- running now at https://build.kde.org/
= Formats / locale configuration: people are missing KLocale
- QLocale better in some ways, worse in other. jlayt off radar
- Eike to work on it, ltinkl volunteers too
= Wayland
< mgraesslin> so 5.4 is planned to be the first release with proper
Wayland support
< mgraesslin> that's two areas
< mgraesslin> * managing Wayland client
< mgraesslin> * drm backend
< mgraesslin> drm backend is already merged into master
< mgraesslin> but it still needs love (mostly multi-screen)
< mgraesslin> Wayland client support is currently a branch with 80 commits
which depending on how much time I find for it could go into master in
about two weekd
< sebas> the libkscreen stuff is pretty far along, needs a bit more
polishing, then we can integrate it with kwin
< sebas> and going through review, obviously
< mgraesslin> Plasma itself will probably need to stick on X in the next
release
< mgraesslin> many things will break on Wayland
< mgraesslin> which needs protocols
< mgraesslin> e.g. taskmanager, clipboard, page, absolute positioning etc
= KActivities - There's a lot of development that should be put in common
- not covered, ivan had to leave alas
= VDG plans and focus
- keep fleshing out missing icons
- Add high contrast cursor theme + other variations
- use mouse cursor theme kcm as opportunity to define standard kcm UI
patterns
- taskbar tooltip layout design improvement (within no-resizing
constraints)
- reduce +VisualDesign bugs backlog
- wallpaper for 5.4
- high contrast color scheme
- coordinate with devs and complete a design target for integrated
activities and virtual desktop
- consider if gtk 2 theme should be merged
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=125246&start=15
- numix doing gtk 3 theme (get them talking to gtk 2 dude above)
= System Settings
- Design target:
https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/System_Settings_Application
- Updated overview page
- New Search mode
- Start with consistent Module layout
- Developer needed
= Breeze theme as backup instead of Oxygen
- admin (red) color scheme
- 16:04 < htietze> I read andreas_k in this way: Default theme should be
Breeze instead of Oxygen. And the fallback solution if something fails is
Breeze.
- 16:05 < notmart> that's i guess is in frameworkintegration and there is
breeze already?
- to investigate
= Desktop Configuration Vision
- Design target:
https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Plasma_5_Desktop_Configuration
- to send to mailing list
= Solid::Power
- new library to solve Plasma dependency on kdelibs4support
- fully async, atm 2 backends (systemd+upower / HAL)
- currently hosted at https://github.com/caybro/solid-power, planning to
move it to kde.git real soon
- 1st phase: port PowerDevil to it, cut the nasty circular runtime
dependency, adjusting the API as we need it
- 2nd phase: plasma-workspace + plasma-desktop porting (shell,
dataengines, etc.)
- 3rd phase: make Solid::Power a framework (hopefully before 5.4 freeze so
that we can depend on a released version thereof)
= New Todo items?
https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44
- added to board from above discussions
- https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44
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<div dir="ltr">Plasma 5.4 Kickstart Meeting<br><br>= schedule agreement <a \
href="https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5">https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5</a> \
<br> - <a href="https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=031gkgqg1hjf8lcmj0em1d2sj8% \
40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Madrid">https://www.google.com/calendar/emb \
ed?src=031gkgqg1hjf8lcmj0em1d2sj8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Madrid</a><br> \
- agreed<br><br>= what will happen with baloo/kfilemetadata/baloo-widgets<br> - move \
baloo/kfilemetadata in july<br> - release baloo-widgets with applications \
(standalone or as part of dolphin)<br> - added to TODO<br><br>= consider moving \
kio-extras to applications in july too<br> - added to TODO<br><br>= Review TODO \
items <a href="https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=shttps://www.google.c \
om/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8how&proje \
ct_id=44">https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=shttps://www.google.com/se \
arch?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8how&project_id=44</a><br> \
- cards were moved<br><br>= consider if systemd-kcm should be included<br> - needs \
UI review and use cases<br> - Jonathan proposed to include it but as standalone \
tar<br> - sebas to reply on mailing list<br> - discussion to continue on mailing \
list<br><br>= Dividing up the most major bugs in 5.3.0 between us for priority \
fixing<br> - bugs were allocated<br> - except ksyscoca as root + sudo putting root \
files in $HOME/.cache, discussion continued on IRC<br><br>= different wallpapers on \
different virtual desktops. We should discuss it a bit<br> - push bblas<br> - d_ed \
to send jens bug report<br> - get VDG onto nice designs for activities<br> - ivan \
to be voluntold<br><br>= System Tray - speaking of recurring piece of feedback: \
xembed systray<br> - qt 4 apps can use the sni patch but only if distros pick it up \
and sni-qt is installed which isn't always the case with e.g. skype<br> - gtk \
old API apps need ported to new API<br> - we don't want to implement xembed \
(which gnome has). conclusion: sit it out<br> - kubuntu to add to kubuntu-notifier \
to install sni-qt:i386 with skype<br> - jr to report to firefox/thunderbird \
extensions<br> - jr to report to wine [ Lync and office with sharepoint only work in \
windows or wine]<br> - jr to report to dropbox<br> - others problems include \
keepassx systray-on-start apps, wine<br><br>= New CI intro - sgclark<br> - running \
now at <a href="https://build.kde.org/">https://build.kde.org/</a><br><br>= Formats / \
locale configuration: people are missing KLocale<br> - QLocale better in some ways, \
worse in other. jlayt off radar<br> - Eike to work on it, ltinkl volunteers \
too<br><br>= Wayland<br> < mgraesslin> so 5.4 is planned to be the first \
release with proper Wayland support <br> < mgraesslin> that's two areas \
<br> < mgraesslin> * managing Wayland client <br> < mgraesslin> * drm \
backend <br> < mgraesslin> drm backend is already merged into master <br> \
< mgraesslin> but it still needs love (mostly multi-screen) <br> < \
mgraesslin> Wayland client support is currently a branch with 80 commits which \
depending on how much time I find for it could go into master in about two weekd <br> \
< sebas> the libkscreen stuff is pretty far along, needs a bit more polishing, \
then we can integrate it with kwin <br> < sebas> and going through review, \
obviously<br> < mgraesslin> Plasma itself will probably need to stick on X in \
the next release <br> < mgraesslin> many things will break on Wayland <br> \
< mgraesslin> which needs protocols <br> < mgraesslin> e.g. taskmanager, \
clipboard, page, absolute positioning etc <br><br>= KActivities - There's a lot \
of development that should be put in common<br> - not covered, ivan had to leave \
alas<br><br>= VDG plans and focus<br> - keep fleshing out missing icons <br> - Add \
high contrast cursor theme + other variations<br> - use mouse cursor theme kcm as \
opportunity to define standard kcm UI patterns <br> - taskbar tooltip layout design \
improvement (within no-resizing constraints) <br> - reduce +VisualDesign bugs \
backlog<br> - wallpaper for 5.4<br> - high contrast color scheme<br> - coordinate \
with devs and complete a design target for integrated activities and virtual \
desktop<br> - consider if gtk 2 theme should be merged <a \
href="https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=125246&start=15">https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=125246&start=15</a><br> \
- numix doing gtk 3 theme (get them talking to gtk 2 dude above)<br><br>= System \
Settings<br> - Design target: <a \
href="https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/System_Settings_Application">h \
ttps://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/System_Settings_Application</a><br> \
- Updated overview page<br> - New Search mode <br> - Start with consistent Module \
layout<br> - Developer needed<br><br>= Breeze theme as backup instead of Oxygen<br> \
- admin (red) color scheme<br> - 16:04 < htietze> I read andreas_k in this \
way: Default theme should be Breeze instead of Oxygen. And the fallback solution if \
something fails is Breeze.<br> - 16:05 < notmart> that's i guess is in \
frameworkintegration and there is breeze already?<br> - to investigate<br><br>= \
Desktop Configuration Vision<br> - Design target: <a \
href="https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Plasma_5_Desktop_Configuration \
">https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Plasma_5_Desktop_Configuration</a><br> \
- to send to mailing list<br><br>= Solid::Power<br> - new library to solve Plasma \
dependency on kdelibs4support<br> - fully async, atm 2 backends (systemd+upower / \
HAL)<br> - currently hosted at <a \
href="https://github.com/caybro/solid-power">https://github.com/caybro/solid-power</a>, \
planning to move it to kde.git real soon<br> - 1st phase: port PowerDevil to it, cut \
the nasty circular runtime dependency, adjusting the API as we need it<br> - 2nd \
phase: plasma-workspace + plasma-desktop porting (shell, dataengines, etc.)<br> - \
3rd phase: make Solid::Power a framework (hopefully before 5.4 freeze so that we can \
depend on a released version thereof)<br><br>= New Todo items? <a \
href="https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44">https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44</a><br> \
- added to board from above discussions<br> - <a \
href="https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44">https: \
//todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44</a><br><br><br><br></div>
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