From kde-panel-devel Thu Apr 30 15:59:36 2015 From: Jonathan Riddell Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:59:36 +0000 To: kde-panel-devel Subject: 5.4 Kickoff Meeting Minutes Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-panel-devel&m=143040959508821 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============4983770307638917157==" --===============4983770307638917157== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140d720aa103f0514f32e98 --001a1140d720aa103f0514f32e98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Plasma 5.4 Kickstart Meeting = schedule agreement https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 - https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=031gkgqg1hjf8lcmj0em1d2sj8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Madrid - agreed = what will happen with baloo/kfilemetadata/baloo-widgets - move baloo/kfilemetadata in july - release baloo-widgets with applications (standalone or as part of dolphin) - added to TODO = consider moving kio-extras to applications in july too - added to TODO = Review TODO items https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=shttps://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8how&project_id=44 - cards were moved = consider if systemd-kcm should be included - needs UI review and use cases - Jonathan proposed to include it but as standalone tar - sebas to reply on mailing list - discussion to continue on mailing list = Dividing up the most major bugs in 5.3.0 between us for priority fixing - bugs were allocated - except ksyscoca as root + sudo putting root files in $HOME/.cache, discussion continued on IRC = different wallpapers on different virtual desktops. We should discuss it a bit - push bblas - d_ed to send jens bug report - get VDG onto nice designs for activities - ivan to be voluntold = System Tray - speaking of recurring piece of feedback: xembed systray - qt 4 apps can use the sni patch but only if distros pick it up and sni-qt is installed which isn't always the case with e.g. skype - gtk old API apps need ported to new API - we don't want to implement xembed (which gnome has). conclusion: sit it out - kubuntu to add to kubuntu-notifier to install sni-qt:i386 with skype - jr to report to firefox/thunderbird extensions - jr to report to wine [ Lync and office with sharepoint only work in windows or wine] - jr to report to dropbox - others problems include keepassx systray-on-start apps, wine = New CI intro - sgclark - running now at https://build.kde.org/ = Formats / locale configuration: people are missing KLocale - QLocale better in some ways, worse in other. jlayt off radar - Eike to work on it, ltinkl volunteers too = Wayland < mgraesslin> so 5.4 is planned to be the first release with proper Wayland support < mgraesslin> that's two areas < mgraesslin> * managing Wayland client < mgraesslin> * drm backend < mgraesslin> drm backend is already merged into master < mgraesslin> but it still needs love (mostly multi-screen) < mgraesslin> Wayland client support is currently a branch with 80 commits which depending on how much time I find for it could go into master in about two weekd < sebas> the libkscreen stuff is pretty far along, needs a bit more polishing, then we can integrate it with kwin < sebas> and going through review, obviously < mgraesslin> Plasma itself will probably need to stick on X in the next release < mgraesslin> many things will break on Wayland < mgraesslin> which needs protocols < mgraesslin> e.g. taskmanager, clipboard, page, absolute positioning etc = KActivities - There's a lot of development that should be put in common - not covered, ivan had to leave alas = VDG plans and focus - keep fleshing out missing icons - Add high contrast cursor theme + other variations - use mouse cursor theme kcm as opportunity to define standard kcm UI patterns - taskbar tooltip layout design improvement (within no-resizing constraints) - reduce +VisualDesign bugs backlog - wallpaper for 5.4 - high contrast color scheme - coordinate with devs and complete a design target for integrated activities and virtual desktop - consider if gtk 2 theme should be merged https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=125246&start=15 - numix doing gtk 3 theme (get them talking to gtk 2 dude above) = System Settings - Design target: https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/System_Settings_Application - Updated overview page - New Search mode - Start with consistent Module layout - Developer needed = Breeze theme as backup instead of Oxygen - admin (red) color scheme - 16:04 < htietze> I read andreas_k in this way: Default theme should be Breeze instead of Oxygen. And the fallback solution if something fails is Breeze. - 16:05 < notmart> that's i guess is in frameworkintegration and there is breeze already? - to investigate = Desktop Configuration Vision - Design target: https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Plasma_5_Desktop_Configuration - to send to mailing list = Solid::Power - new library to solve Plasma dependency on kdelibs4support - fully async, atm 2 backends (systemd+upower / HAL) - currently hosted at https://github.com/caybro/solid-power, planning to move it to kde.git real soon - 1st phase: port PowerDevil to it, cut the nasty circular runtime dependency, adjusting the API as we need it - 2nd phase: plasma-workspace + plasma-desktop porting (shell, dataengines, etc.) - 3rd phase: make Solid::Power a framework (hopefully before 5.4 freeze so that we can depend on a released version thereof) = New Todo items? https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44 - added to board from above discussions - https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44 --001a1140d720aa103f0514f32e98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Plasma 5.4 Kickstart Meeting

=3D schedule agreement= =C2=A0 https://tech= base.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0- https://www.google.com/calenda= r/embed?src=3D031gkgqg1hjf8lcmj0em1d2sj8%40group.calendar.google.com&ct= z=3DEurope/Madrid
=C2=A0- agreed

=3D what will happen with ba= loo/kfilemetadata/baloo-widgets
=C2=A0- move baloo/kfilemetadata in july=
=C2=A0- release baloo-widgets with applications (standalone or as part = of dolphin)
=C2=A0- added to TODO

=3D consider moving kio-extras = to applications in july too
=C2=A0- added to TODO

=3D Review TODO= items https://todo.kde.org/?co= ntroller=3Dboard&action=3Dshttps://www.google.com/search?client=3Dubunt= u&channel=3Dfs&q=3Dfs&ie=3Dutf-8&oe=3Dutf-8how&project_= id=3D44
=C2=A0- cards were moved

=3D consider if systemd-kcm = should be included
=C2=A0- needs UI review and use cases
=C2=A0- Jona= than proposed to include it but as standalone tar
=C2=A0- sebas to reply= on mailing list
=C2=A0- discussion to continue on mailing list

= =3D Dividing up the most major bugs in 5.3.0 between us for priority fixing=
=C2=A0- bugs were allocated
=C2=A0- except ksyscoca as root + sudo p= utting root files in $HOME/.cache, discussion continued on IRC

=3D d= ifferent wallpapers on different virtual desktops. We should discuss it a b= it
=C2=A0- push bblas
=C2=A0- d_ed to send jens bug report
=C2=A0-= get VDG onto nice designs for activities
=C2=A0- ivan to be voluntold
=3D System Tray - speaking of recurring piece of feedback: xembed sys= tray
=C2=A0- qt 4 apps can use the sni patch but only if distros pick it= up and sni-qt is installed which isn't always the case with e.g. skype=
=C2=A0- gtk old API apps need ported to new API
=C2=A0- we don't= want to implement xembed (which gnome has).=C2=A0 conclusion: sit it out=C2=A0- kubuntu to add to kubuntu-notifier to install sni-qt:i386 with sk= ype
=C2=A0- jr to report to firefox/thunderbird extensions
=C2=A0- jr= to report to wine [ Lync and office with sharepoint only work in windows o= r wine]
=C2=A0- jr to report to dropbox
=C2=A0- others problems inclu= de keepassx systray-on-start apps, wine

=3D New CI intro - sgclark=C2=A0- running now at https://build.k= de.org/

=3D Formats / locale configuration: people are missing K= Locale
=C2=A0- QLocale better in some ways, worse in other.=C2=A0 jlayt = off radar
=C2=A0- Eike to work on it, ltinkl volunteers too

=3D W= ayland
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> so 5.4 is planned to be the first relea= se with proper Wayland support
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> that's two= areas
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> * managing Wayland client
=C2=A0&l= t; mgraesslin> * drm backend
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> drm backend i= s already merged into master
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> but it still nee= ds love (mostly multi-screen)
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> Wayland client = support is currently a branch with 80 commits which depending on how much t= ime I find for it could go into master in about two weekd
=C2=A0< se= bas> the libkscreen stuff is pretty far along, needs a bit more polishin= g, then we can integrate it with kwin
=C2=A0< sebas> and going th= rough review, obviously
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> Plasma itself will pro= bably need to stick on X in the next release
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> = many things will break on Wayland
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> which needs= protocols
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> e.g. taskmanager, clipboard, page,= absolute positioning etc

=3D KActivities - There's a lot of de= velopment that should be put in common
=C2=A0- not covered, ivan had to = leave alas

=3D VDG plans and focus
=C2=A0- keep fleshing out miss= ing icons
=C2=A0- Add high contrast cursor theme + other variations
= =C2=A0- use mouse cursor theme kcm as opportunity to define standard kcm UI= patterns
=C2=A0- taskbar tooltip layout design improvement (within no-= resizing constraints)
=C2=A0- reduce +VisualDesign bugs backlog
=C2= =A0- wallpaper for 5.4
=C2=A0- high contrast color scheme
=C2=A0- coo= rdinate with devs and complete a design target for integrated activities an= d virtual desktop
=C2=A0- consider if gtk 2 theme should be merged https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3D285&t=3D125246&start= =3D15
=C2=A0- numix doing gtk 3 theme (get them talking to gtk 2 dud= e above)

=3D System Settings
=C2=A0- Design target: https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/P= lasma_5_Desktop_Configuration
=C2=A0- to send to mailing list
=3D Solid::Power
=C2=A0- new library to solve Plasma dependency on kdel= ibs4support
=C2=A0- fully async, atm 2 backends (systemd+upower / HAL)=C2=A0- currently hosted at https://github.com/caybro/solid-power, planning to move it to kde.= git real soon
=C2=A0- 1st phase: port PowerDevil to it, cut the nasty ci= rcular runtime dependency, adjusting the API as we need it
=C2=A0- 2nd p= hase: plasma-workspace + plasma-desktop porting (shell, dataengines, etc.)<= br>=C2=A0- 3rd phase: make Solid::Power a framework (hopefully before 5.4 f= reeze so that we can depend on a released version thereof)

=3D New T= odo items? https://todo.kde.org/?controller=3Dboard&a= ction=3Dshow&project_id=3D44
=C2=A0- added to board from above d= iscussions
=C2=A0- https://todo.kde.org/?controller=3Dbo= ard&action=3Dshow&project_id=3D44



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