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Plasma 5.4 Kickstart Meeting
= schedule agreement https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
-
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=031gkgqg1hjf8lcmj0em1d2sj8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Madrid
- agreed
= what will happen with baloo/kfilemetadata/baloo-widgets
- move baloo/kfilemetadata in july
- release baloo-widgets with applications (standalone or as part of
dolphin)
- added to TODO
= consider moving kio-extras to applications in july too
- added to TODO
= Review TODO items
https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=shttps://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8how&project_id=44
- cards were moved
= consider if systemd-kcm should be included
- needs UI review and use cases
- Jonathan proposed to include it but as standalone tar
- sebas to reply on mailing list
- discussion to continue on mailing list
= Dividing up the most major bugs in 5.3.0 between us for priority fixing
- bugs were allocated
- except ksyscoca as root + sudo putting root files in $HOME/.cache,
discussion continued on IRC
= different wallpapers on different virtual desktops. We should discuss it
a bit
- push bblas
- d_ed to send jens bug report
- get VDG onto nice designs for activities
- ivan to be voluntold
= System Tray - speaking of recurring piece of feedback: xembed systray
- qt 4 apps can use the sni patch but only if distros pick it up and
sni-qt is installed which isn't always the case with e.g. skype
- gtk old API apps need ported to new API
- we don't want to implement xembed (which gnome has). conclusion: sit it
out
- kubuntu to add to kubuntu-notifier to install sni-qt:i386 with skype
- jr to report to firefox/thunderbird extensions
- jr to report to wine [ Lync and office with sharepoint only work in
windows or wine]
- jr to report to dropbox
- others problems include keepassx systray-on-start apps, wine
= New CI intro - sgclark
- running now at https://build.kde.org/
= Formats / locale configuration: people are missing KLocale
- QLocale better in some ways, worse in other. jlayt off radar
- Eike to work on it, ltinkl volunteers too
= Wayland
< mgraesslin> so 5.4 is planned to be the first release with proper
Wayland support
< mgraesslin> that's two areas
< mgraesslin> * managing Wayland client
< mgraesslin> * drm backend
< mgraesslin> drm backend is already merged into master
< mgraesslin> but it still needs love (mostly multi-screen)
< mgraesslin> Wayland client support is currently a branch with 80 commits
which depending on how much time I find for it could go into master in
about two weekd
< sebas> the libkscreen stuff is pretty far along, needs a bit more
polishing, then we can integrate it with kwin
< sebas> and going through review, obviously
< mgraesslin> Plasma itself will probably need to stick on X in the next
release
< mgraesslin> many things will break on Wayland
< mgraesslin> which needs protocols
< mgraesslin> e.g. taskmanager, clipboard, page, absolute positioning etc
= KActivities - There's a lot of development that should be put in common
- not covered, ivan had to leave alas
= VDG plans and focus
- keep fleshing out missing icons
- Add high contrast cursor theme + other variations
- use mouse cursor theme kcm as opportunity to define standard kcm UI
patterns
- taskbar tooltip layout design improvement (within no-resizing
constraints)
- reduce +VisualDesign bugs backlog
- wallpaper for 5.4
- high contrast color scheme
- coordinate with devs and complete a design target for integrated
activities and virtual desktop
- consider if gtk 2 theme should be merged
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=125246&start=15
- numix doing gtk 3 theme (get them talking to gtk 2 dude above)
= System Settings
- Design target:
https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/System_Settings_Application
- Updated overview page
- New Search mode
- Start with consistent Module layout
- Developer needed
= Breeze theme as backup instead of Oxygen
- admin (red) color scheme
- 16:04 < htietze> I read andreas_k in this way: Default theme should be
Breeze instead of Oxygen. And the fallback solution if something fails is
Breeze.
- 16:05 < notmart> that's i guess is in frameworkintegration and there is
breeze already?
- to investigate
= Desktop Configuration Vision
- Design target:
https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Plasma_5_Desktop_Configuration
- to send to mailing list
= Solid::Power
- new library to solve Plasma dependency on kdelibs4support
- fully async, atm 2 backends (systemd+upower / HAL)
- currently hosted at https://github.com/caybro/solid-power, planning to
move it to kde.git real soon
- 1st phase: port PowerDevil to it, cut the nasty circular runtime
dependency, adjusting the API as we need it
- 2nd phase: plasma-workspace + plasma-desktop porting (shell,
dataengines, etc.)
- 3rd phase: make Solid::Power a framework (hopefully before 5.4 freeze so
that we can depend on a released version thereof)
= New Todo items?
https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44
- added to board from above discussions
- https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=44
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Plasma 5.4 Kickstart Meeting
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=C2=A0-
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=3D what will happen with ba=
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=C2=A0- move baloo/kfilemetadata in july=
=C2=A0- release baloo-widgets with applications (standalone or as part =
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=C2=A0- added to TODO
=3D consider moving kio-extras =
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=3D consider if systemd-kcm =
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=C2=A0- Jona=
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on mailing list
=C2=A0- discussion to continue on mailing list
=
=3D Dividing up the most major bugs in 5.3.0 between us for priority fixing=
=C2=A0- bugs were allocated
=C2=A0- except ksyscoca as root + sudo p=
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=3D d=
ifferent wallpapers on different virtual desktops. We should discuss it a b=
it
=C2=A0- push bblas
=C2=A0- d_ed to send jens bug report
=C2=A0-=
get VDG onto nice designs for activities
=C2=A0- ivan to be voluntold
=3D System Tray - speaking of recurring piece of feedback: xembed sys=
tray
=C2=A0- qt 4 apps can use the sni patch but only if distros pick it=
up and sni-qt is installed which isn't always the case with e.g. skype=
=C2=A0- gtk old API apps need ported to new API
=C2=A0- we don't=
want to implement xembed (which gnome has).=C2=A0 conclusion: sit it out=C2=A0- kubuntu to add to kubuntu-notifier to install sni-qt:i386 with sk=
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=C2=A0- jr to report to firefox/thunderbird extensions
=C2=A0- jr=
to report to wine [ Lync and office with sharepoint only work in windows o=
r wine]
=C2=A0- jr to report to dropbox
=C2=A0- others problems inclu=
de keepassx systray-on-start apps, wine
=3D New CI intro - sgclark=C2=A0- running now at https://build.k=
de.org/
=3D Formats / locale configuration: people are missing K=
Locale
=C2=A0- QLocale better in some ways, worse in other.=C2=A0 jlayt =
off radar
=C2=A0- Eike to work on it, ltinkl volunteers too
=3D W=
ayland
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> so 5.4 is planned to be the first relea=
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=C2=A0< mgraesslin> that's two=
areas
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> * managing Wayland client
=C2=A0&l=
t; mgraesslin> * drm backend
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> drm backend i=
s already merged into master
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> but it still nee=
ds love (mostly multi-screen)
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> Wayland client =
support is currently a branch with 80 commits which depending on how much t=
ime I find for it could go into master in about two weekd
=C2=A0< se=
bas> the libkscreen stuff is pretty far along, needs a bit more polishin=
g, then we can integrate it with kwin
=C2=A0< sebas> and going th=
rough review, obviously
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> Plasma itself will pro=
bably need to stick on X in the next release
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> =
many things will break on Wayland
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> which needs=
protocols
=C2=A0< mgraesslin> e.g. taskmanager, clipboard, page,=
absolute positioning etc
=3D KActivities - There's a lot of de=
velopment that should be put in common
=C2=A0- not covered, ivan had to =
leave alas
=3D VDG plans and focus
=C2=A0- keep fleshing out miss=
ing icons
=C2=A0- Add high contrast cursor theme + other variations
=
=C2=A0- use mouse cursor theme kcm as opportunity to define standard kcm UI=
patterns
=C2=A0- taskbar tooltip layout design improvement (within no-=
resizing constraints)
=C2=A0- reduce +VisualDesign bugs backlog
=C2=
=A0- wallpaper for 5.4
=C2=A0- high contrast color scheme
=C2=A0- coo=
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=C2=A0- consider if gtk 2 theme should be merged https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3D285&t=3D125246&start=
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=C2=A0- numix doing gtk 3 theme (get them talking to gtk 2 dud=
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=3D System Settings
=C2=A0- Design target: https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/System_Settings_Applica=
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=C2=A0- Updated overview page
=C2=A0- New Search mode
=
=C2=A0- Start with consistent Module layout
=C2=A0- Developer needed
=
=3D Breeze theme as backup instead of Oxygen
=C2=A0- admin (red) col=
or scheme
=C2=A0- 16:04 < htietze> I read andreas_k in this way: D=
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if something fails is Breeze.
=C2=A0- 16:05 < notmart> that's =
i guess is in frameworkintegration and there is breeze already?
=C2=A0- =
to investigate
=3D Desktop Configuration Vision
=C2=A0- Design ta=
rget: https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/P=
lasma_5_Desktop_Configuration
=C2=A0- to send to mailing list
=3D Solid::Power
=C2=A0- new library to solve Plasma dependency on kdel=
ibs4support
=C2=A0- fully async, atm 2 backends (systemd+upower / HAL)=C2=A0- currently hosted at https://github.com/caybro/solid-power, planning to move it to kde.=
git real soon
=C2=A0- 1st phase: port PowerDevil to it, cut the nasty ci=
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=C2=A0- 2nd p=
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br>=C2=A0- 3rd phase: make Solid::Power a framework (hopefully before 5.4 f=
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=3D New T=
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ction=3Dshow&project_id=3D44
=C2=A0- added to board from above d=
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=C2=A0- https://todo.kde.org/?controller=3Dbo=
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