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Subject: Re: Battery Monitor revamp
From: Àlex_Fiestas <afiestas () kde ! org>
Date: 2013-05-28 10:04:11
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For what is worth (and from the Solid side of things).
Batteries have improved a lot since last time we discussed this issue, back
on the days a high CPU round of 10min would drain huge percentage of the
power in your battery, hence the estimation was really bad. Additionally
the estimation was done in most of the cases in the software side so
calculation was always bogus. Now days the situation has changed though.
Batteries are way smarter than they used to be, even the stupid ones are
kinda smart though. In most laptops sold in the last years you can find
batteries that implement SBS (Smart Battery System) or similar (there is
another one I can't recall).
Additionally battery capacity has grown a lot while cpu power requirements
have decreased (specially since Intel Sandy Bridge) so a CPU pike of 10mins
will not affect that much the estimation time (and systems like SBS are
smart enough to prevent that).
Maybe usability wise showing the remaining time is not recommendable or it
is confusing, but technically the situation has clearly changed and the
remaining time can now be shown accurately.
Cheerz.
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Kai Uwe Broulik <kde@privat.broulik.de>wrote:
> I feel better when I see it more accurately. My experience shows that
> battery icons are usually way too pessimistic or way too optimistic.
> Now it shows two of five bars although the battery is still half full. And
> once it goes 20% or below it is red although 20% means half an hour of
> battery life left.
> I'd be fine with dropping the overlay if we had 10 linear steps for the
> icon rather than 5 which are unequally distributed.
>
> "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo@kde.org> schrieb:
>
> >On Sunday, May 26, 2013 18:53:24 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> >> On the desktop it would work that way, yes. But I really want to have
> the
> >> percentage shown in the panel but don't know how that could work better
> like
> >
> >out of curiosity: what is the value of having the exact % always shown in
> the
> >main UI?
> >
> >the battery steps show roughly how much it is charged, and if one wants to
> >check more fine grained you can tap on the icon or mouse over it .. other
> than
> >the good feeling of knowing something to the single %, what is the actual
> use
> >case for this?
> >
> >--
> >Aaron J. Seigo
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<div dir="ltr">For what is worth (and from the Solid side of \
things).<div><br></div><div style>Batteries have improved a lot since last time we \
discussed this issue, back on the days a high CPU round of 10min would drain huge \
percentage of the power in your battery, hence the estimation was really bad. \
Additionally the estimation was done in most of the cases in the software side so \
calculation was always bogus. Now days the situation has changed though.</div> <div \
style><br></div><div style>Batteries are way smarter than they used to be, even the \
stupid ones are kinda smart though. In most laptops sold in the last years you can \
find batteries that implement SBS (Smart Battery System) or similar (there is \
another one I can't recall).</div> <div style>Additionally battery capacity has \
grown a lot while cpu power requirements have decreased (specially since Intel Sandy \
Bridge) so a CPU pike of 10mins will not affect that much the estimation time (and \
systems like SBS are smart enough to prevent that).</div> <div style><br></div><div \
style>Maybe usability wise showing the remaining time is not recommendable or it is \
confusing, but technically the situation has clearly changed and the remaining time \
can now be shown accurately.</div> <div style><br></div><div style>Cheerz.</div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:53 \
AM, Kai Uwe Broulik <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kde@privat.broulik.de" \
target="_blank">kde@privat.broulik.de</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">I feel better when I see it more accurately. My experience \
shows that battery icons are usually way too pessimistic or way too optimistic.<br>
Now it shows two of five bars although the battery is still half full. And once it \
goes 20% or below it is red although 20% means half an hour of battery life left.<br> \
I'd be fine with dropping the overlay if we had 10 linear steps for the icon \
rather than 5 which are unequally distributed.<br> <br>
"Aaron J. Seigo" <<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>> \
schrieb:<br> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
>On Sunday, May 26, 2013 18:53:24 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:<br>
>> On the desktop it would work that way, yes. But I really want to have \
the<br> >> percentage shown in the panel but don't know how that could work \
better like<br> ><br>
>out of curiosity: what is the value of having the exact % always shown in the<br>
>main UI?<br>
><br>
>the battery steps show roughly how much it is charged, and if one wants to<br>
>check more fine grained you can tap on the icon or mouse over it .. other \
than<br> >the good feeling of knowing something to the single %, what is the \
actual use<br> >case for this?<br>
><br>
>--<br>
>Aaron J. Seigo<br>
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