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List:       kde-licensing
Subject:    Re: RMS,Debian and KDE
From:       "Darren O. Benham" <gecko () benham ! net>
Date:       2000-06-21 14:49:57
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On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 09:40:39AM -0500, mosfet wrote:
> <rant>
<rant> also

> They still refuse based on what I get as "convience" factors for
> packagers! Sorry, but I don't approve of modifying people's licenses
> just on Debian's whim without legal justification. They say it will make
> it easier for Debain packagers - well, I personally care less. What
> Debian is totally ignoring is the amount of effort it would take to
> contact 100's of people who worked on 100's of apps just to satisfy
> something Debian has no legal right to ask for in the first place. This
> is what I consider major arrogance. They can of course require whatever
> they feel like, but then don't say it's because of legal issues that
> they don't carry KDE. It's quite simply not true. They can legally carry
> KDE applications *now*. They won't.

I'm making just that point inside the Debian project.  Having flame quality
rants that exicte the more volitle and opinionated in the project does not
help.

> Quite honestly, screw this. It's not fair to KDE and things like this
> are a large part of why most KDE people simply ignore Debian.

If KDE wouldn't blanket ignore all Debian and try working with the ones that
are reasonable, we might be able to settle this.  That does not mean,
necessarily, that KDE would go into Debian but atleast Debian and KDE can be
friends and the reasons Debian give mirror reality.

> If Debian is serious about carrying KDE apps, not just libraries, then I
> would be happy to help them pick all the 100's of applications they can
> carry that are all either original GPL code or at least don't use anyone
> elses. There will be no license changes to these, as they are not
> required. You can't use the excuse "well, our packagers can't tell what
> license is what" because I will help.

I was unable to get help from KDE 6 months ago when I was trying to compile
and package KDE2.  

> If your not happy with this as a first step then sorry, but I will be
> very vocal about how I tried to get things working with Debian and
> exactly what the situation is.
> 
> </rant>
ditto

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