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List:       kde-licensing
Subject:    Re: RMS,Debian and KDE
From:       mosfet <mosfet () mandrakesoft ! com>
Date:       2000-06-21 14:53:06
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"Darren O. Benham" wrote:
> 
> [disclaimer: parts have been snipped to include only what has been replied
> to]
> 
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 09:40:39AM -0500, mosfet wrote:
> > <rant>
> <rant> also
> 
> > They still refuse based on what I get as "convience" factors for
> > packagers! Sorry, but I don't approve of modifying people's licenses
> > just on Debian's whim without legal justification. They say it will make
> > it easier for Debain packagers - well, I personally care less. What
> > Debian is totally ignoring is the amount of effort it would take to
> > contact 100's of people who worked on 100's of apps just to satisfy
> > something Debian has no legal right to ask for in the first place. This
> > is what I consider major arrogance. They can of course require whatever
> > they feel like, but then don't say it's because of legal issues that
> > they don't carry KDE. It's quite simply not true. They can legally carry
> > KDE applications *now*. They won't.
> 
> I'm making just that point inside the Debian project.  Having flame quality
> rants that exicte the more volitle and opinionated in the project does not
> help.
> 
> > Quite honestly, screw this. It's not fair to KDE and things like this
> > are a large part of why most KDE people simply ignore Debian.
> 
> If KDE wouldn't blanket ignore all Debian and try working with the ones that
> are reasonable, we might be able to settle this.  That does not mean,
> necessarily, that KDE would go into Debian but atleast Debian and KDE can be
> friends and the reasons Debian give mirror reality.
> 
> > If Debian is serious about carrying KDE apps, not just libraries, then I
> > would be happy to help them pick all the 100's of applications they can
> > carry that are all either original GPL code or at least don't use anyone
> > elses. There will be no license changes to these, as they are not
> > required. You can't use the excuse "well, our packagers can't tell what
> > license is what" because I will help.
> 
> I was unable to get help from KDE 6 months ago when I was trying to compile
> and package KDE2.

Well, 6 months ago I wasn't nearly as active ;-)

I will help you if you want to do this.

> 
> > If your not happy with this as a first step then sorry, but I will be
> > very vocal about how I tried to get things working with Debian and
> > exactly what the situation is.
> >
> > </rant>
> ditto
> 
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