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List:       kde-i18n-doc
Subject:    Re: Should an application uses framework translations if it is not itself translated?
From:       Aurélien Gâteau <agateau () kde ! org>
Date:       2014-04-24 20:53:34
Message-ID: ljbtke$alf$1 () ger ! gmane ! org
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Albert Astals Cid wrote:

> El Dijous, 24 d'abril de 2014, a les 17:01:32, Aurélien Gâteau va
> escriure:
>> Albert Astals Cid wrote:
>> > El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 17:06:11, Aurélien Gâteau va
>> > 
>> > escriure:
>> >> While working on KI18n-translated frameworks, I discovered KI18n does
>> >> not translate any string if the application itself is not translated.
>> >> This
>> > 
>> > Correct.
>> > 
>> >> means
>> >> if application A uses, say, KIconThemes and does not have any
>> >> translation available in the user language (but KIconThemes does),
>> >> then any dialog or window coming from KIconThemes won't be translated.
>> >> 
>> >> It feels wrong to me, especially since if A uses any Qt-translated
>> >> framework, strings from the Qt-translated framework will be
>> >> translated.
>> > 
>> > Those are quite small in most of our applications.
>> 
>> Mmm, what do you mean with "those are quite small"?
> 
> Which strings from Qt do we use? Not many, maybe the print dialog, and i'd
> say that's it, no? Well i guess more nowadays we're killing KMessageBox
> and KDialog too.

Oh, I was not talking about strings from Qt, but strings from frameworks 
which uses the Qt translation system.

>> >> I filed a review request to fix this:
>> >> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/117688/ but Chusslove says there are
>> >> good reasons against supporting partial translations, dating from
>> >> before he was involved and this topic should be discussed. Are those
>> >> reasons still valid?
>> > 
>> > Since nothing i can see has changed I'd say they still are.
>> > 
>> > Namely it gives a translation team the hability to not have a program
>> > translated (i.e. having no .po for it) unless they think it has a
>> > reasonable amount of quality/quantity/whatever.
>> 
>> Oh. Where do translators keep their .po files until it is good enough
>> then?
> 
> Wherever they want :D

If it's not in svn, I have to question: does this really happen?

>> Slightly related: Assuming the code stays this way,
>> KLocalizedString::isApplicationTranslatedInto() should probably be
>> changed to cache its result. Right now it checks if .mo files exist every
>> time i18n() is called. (Call chain is i18n() ->
>> isApplicationTranslatedInto() -> KCatalog::catalogLocalDir() ->
>> QStandardPaths::locate())
> 
> Looks like a bad place to use isApplicationTranslatedInto, kdelibs is
> using it in a different place. You'll have to ask Chusslove about this.

OK, will do.

Aurélien

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