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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    RE: starting to write a KDE auto-installer
From:       "Mark W. Webb" <markwebb () adelphia ! net>
Date:       2001-08-21 17:03:31
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I am in on the development.  Just tell me where to start.  In short, my
KDE/Qt experience is about 6 months.  I have been doing professional Java
programming for about 3 years.  I studied C++ for about 3 years before that.

I will try and summarize my point concerning many of the postings on this
thread.

I see that Ilya and Nick are going in different directions.  I started this
thread hoping to get ideas on how to develop a KDE installer.  I think alot
of great ideas are coming out of these discussions.  I like the idea of a
statically linked Qt application.  This will cover the problem of someone
who does not have KDE installed at all. But are assuming that they are
running X.  Which I think is a valid assumption.

The server issue could be a problem.  But my arguments to that are:
1. If we want to increase KDE's popularity, we will always face bandwidth
issues. More KDE users = more KDE downloads.
2. By trying to keep people more up to date, we have the possibility of
having less bug reports.
3. I think there are enough mirrors to spread the download requests.(This
maybe a naive statement)

The package management topic is very important.  If we as a community come
together on this, we should make this a requirement for all KDE packages.

Because KDE is a system that works on MANY different OS's, we must take into
account the different OS's.  It is disappointing to see the arguments
between SuSe/RedHat/Debian.  That is not why we are here.  We are supposed
to be working together to advance KDE.  If we want to make KDE a better
desktop environment, IMHO this is something we should have.  It was said
yesterday that many users have 'downgraded' KDE to 2.1 because the 2.2
installation was too difficult.  Now many of you may be using OS's that make
upgrading easy, but different people use different OS's for different
reasons.  We must accept that.

For those of you who want to work on this, we should come together and get a
design so that we are not all working in different directions.  I am very
flexible as to how this should be done, I just want to see it happen.

Thanks......


-----Original Message-----
From: kde-devel-admin@mail.kde.org [mailto:kde-devel-admin@mail.kde.org]On
Behalf Of Hetz Ben Hamo
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:17 AM
To: Jonathan Bacon
Cc: kde-devel@kde.org
Subject: Re: starting to write a KDE auto-installer


3 people if I count correctly ;)

1. Ilya - who is modifiying the Red Carpet - I belive you should see the
results within a week or so..
2. Nick - on Kinstaller
3. Mark Webb - although I'm not sure about him...

On Tuesday 21 August 2001 14:09, Jonathan Bacon wrote:
> Good points hetz...but I think the issues surrounding the political
> issues of red carpet are non only political.

Ahha.

>
> I think lots of people want to see it fill into the desktop in terms of
> visual and technological issues. We would possibly want to use DCOP, and
> we certainly want it to be part of the KDE style the user is using.
>
> It may be an idea that Red Carpet is hacked towards a KDE/Qt version but
> I don't know. I just look forward to seeing what is created as a result
> of this thread.

The problem is - even if you cut corners and make static binary of KDE/QT to
be included on the installer (remember - installer size DOES matter!) - then
you can quickly passes the size of the original (3MB), which would make the
installation painful for dial-up users...

>
> Who is actively going to work on this installer?
>

Answered above ..

> 	Jono

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Hetz Ben Hamo
hetz@kde.org


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