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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Res: Konqueror to inform about hard links?
From:       macintoshzoom <macintoshzoom () lavabit ! com>
Date:       2008-08-29 7:18:38
Message-ID: 48B7A2CE.30809 () lavabit ! com
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Hi Daniel,

As I just told Branan,
..............
I think yes it should be possible.
OpenBSD uses the feature of given several hardlinks to the same file 
(package) when storing the packages it creates, to these folders:
/usr/ports/packages/i386/all
/usr/ports/packages/i386/ftp
/usr/ports/packages/i386/cdrom
and soemones replicted here:
/usr/ports/packages/i386/cache

This is going crazy to me.

I don't think it's not possible to know which one is the first/original 
one. OpenBSD must know how to do it when it wants to do something with 
those, deleting, updating, reinstalling (eventually with different 
flavor-s), etc.

Did you look at man ln , I can't understand it properly.

Do you know how does manages this question other file managers? 
Krusader, Thunar, Nautilus, rox, xfe?

If Unix can build hard links, it can also manage them, I imagine.
.........

Mac.

dantti85-dev@yahoo.com.br wrote:
> Dude hard links cannot be discoverable,
> you are human you look at inodes and see they equal.
> Konqueror don't look at inodes to say this file
> is the same as that one.

Konqueror can do it as i did:
# cd /usr/ports/packages/i386/cdrom
# ls -i kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
890218 kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
# cd /usr/ports/packages/i386/all
# ls -i kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
890218 kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
#
As both have the same inode # 890218, so they are the same file, not 
twice space used on my hard drive.

The question is that if this feature is not implemented in konqueror, 
does anyone how to patch it to give me this information? and I will add 
a different icon from the soft linkk one.

Mac.

> 
> A hard link is just the same file with another name (entry)
> it's impossible to know which one was created first
> So there is no way to konqueror say that they are
> the same.
> 
> The only thing you can ask is a column or maybe 
> the proprieties of the file saying what is the inode.
> 
> soft links are trackeable since they are a file that
> has a path. (just look at the size and check to see if
> that not match with the path it's pointing to)
> 
> btw why do you want that?
> 
> Daniel.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: macintoshzoom <macintoshzoom@lavabit.com>
> Para: Branan Riley <branan@gmail.com>
> Cc: kde-devel@kde.org
> Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 28 de Agosto de 2008 19:01:09
> Assunto: Re: Konqueror to inform about hard links?
> 
> Hi Branan Riley,
> 
> Good question.
> 
> man ln seems the answer, on OpenBSD.
> 
> I confused (konqueror lied me) soft and hard linked files, (which I 
> ignored the existence till today, nor I understand yet why those hard 
> links are useful).
> 
> # cd /usr/ports/packages/i386/cdrom
> # ls -i kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
> 890218 kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
> # cd /usr/ports/packages/i386/all
> # ls -i kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
> 890218 kde-i18n-nl-3.5.9.tgz
> #
> 
> As both have the same inode # 890218, so they are the same file, not 
> twice space used on my hard drive.
> 
> It should be easy to implement in Konqueror, if not already present.
> 
> Which one is the good real one? Don't know yet
> 
> But I neeeeeed Konqueror tells me.
> 
> Mac
> 
> Branan Riley wrote:
> > I'm not certain there's even a way to detect hard links...
> > 
> > And even if there was, how do you decide which hard link is the "file"
> > and which is the "link"
> > 
> > Branan
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:37 PM, macintoshzoom
> > <macintoshzoom@lavabit.com> wrote:
> > > Konqueror to inform about hard links?
> > > 
> > > My Konqueror doesn't inform me about hard linked files, as one file that
> > > is hard linked to two or more different folders.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes it informs about "classic" soft links.
> > > 
> > > Nor kdirstats seems to detect the difference.
> > > 
> > > Is this a Konqueror limitation or there is somewhere a trick or setting
> > > to enable this hard link information?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Mac.
> > > 
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