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From: "Nathan Bradshaw" <nathanlbradshaw () gmail ! com>
Date: 2008-06-03 13:33:33
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Sami, sounds like you'd be a great candidate to help out with the bug squad.
Check em out at: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Bugsquad
cheers
N
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Sami Liedes <sliedes@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
> [Retry, hope you don't get this twice - although I did add a couple of
> items.]
>
> Hi,
>
> I tested KDE 4.1 rc1 from Debian experimental for a few hours,
> configuring it and just doing stuff I'd normally do, and here's a list
> of issues I found. I wasn't sure you would like me to file dozens of
> bugs, so here they are all for now, in no specific order.
>
> I'm testing it on amd64, Intel display card on a HP laptop. Generally
> I try to turn at least all animations off (I just don't like them).
>
> The screenshots I refer to are available at
> http://www.hut.fi/~sliedes/kde4/ <http://www.hut.fi/%7Esliedes/kde4/>
> .
>
> 1. General brokenness with bigger-than-default fonts. I use font size
> 11 on my laptop (on which I tested KDE), and that seems to break
> things. On my desktop I use font size 12, and if my monitor was
> bigger and hence farther away, I'd probably use even bigger
> fonts. :)
> - see font-size-*.png
>
> 2. I can't figure out how to use the control center keyboard shortcuts
> configuration thing with keyboard. Specifically how to expand an
> item to show the mini-window or something that lets me change the
> shortcut.
>
> 3. The keyboard shortcuts pane doesn't scroll down until too late when
> scrolling with keyboard when an item is opened.
> - see kb-shortcuts-scroll-[123].png. I pressed the down arrow key
> between those shots.
>
> 4. Konsole context menu has an item named "Change profile". It seems
> to me it could mean either "modify a/the profile" or "change to a
> profile". Turns out it means the latter. Perhaps consider changing
> it to "Switch to profile" or something?
>
> 5. In Konsole, the scrollback size is now limited to 10000 unless set
> to unlimited. I used to have a scrollback buffer of 25000 in KDE
> 3.5, now I can't.
>
> 6. In Konsole, in the Advanced tab of Edit current profile, there is
> a checkbox "Enable flow control using Ctrl+S , Ctrl+Q".
> - The string has an extra space before the ','
> - The option is disabled (grayed out). Why?
> - see konsole-flow-control.png
>
> 7. In Gwenview, there is no default keyboard shortcut for
> Browse. Hence I think it's not very usable by keyboard without
> configuring it.
>
> 8. In Konqueror, by default ctrl-minus works, but ctrl-+ not. Turns
> out the default key to zoom in is ctrl-=, which isn't very
> logical. And on my keyboard (and probably dozens of others), = is
> in shift-0.
>
> 9. In Konqueror, configure shortcuts, the alphabetical display idea
> doesn't IMHO work very well. For example, it would be nicer if
> "Shrink font" and "Enlarge font" were somehow grouped together.
>
> 10. Some global shortcuts seem really weird, and it's not obvious
> where they work. For example, "Go to KDE website", which is bound
> to "E"(!)
> - see shortcut-goto-kde-site-e.png
>
> 11. In Control center, shortcuts seem to report that they conflict
> with themselves. Also they often just don't work.
> - see shortcut-self-conflict.png
> - might this have something to do with the fact that there are
> both categories "System settings" and "kwin", which seem to
> overlap?
> - see kb-shortcuts-components.png
> - also might this have to do with the fact that I had a ~/.kde
> from KDE 3.5.9 before I installed KDE 4.1 rc1?
>
> 12. In the shortcuts pane, when I scroll around with PgUp/PgDown, an
> opened shortcut screen (the one that lets me change the shortcut)
> often ends up on the text.
> - see shortcut-window-on-text.png to see what I mean
>
> 13. In shortcuts, there are lots of redundant tooltips. Every shortcut
> is tooltipped with its name, the very same that is already
> displayed. Also when a shortcut is expanded, every item inside
> that pane is tooltipped with the shortcut's name.
> - see shortcuts-tooltips-*.png
>
> 14. Some of the "global" shortcuts are very application specific, like
> "Remap Ctrl-W to Ctrl-F4 in Qt Designer".
> - see kb-shortcuts-components.png
>
> 15. Is there a shortcut to open the K menu? Why can't I find it? At
> least alt-F1 doesn't work.
>
> 16. Is (manual) panel hiding gone? No more hide buttons in the edges
> of the panel.
>
> 17. In control center, mouse, "num pad" should perhaps be expanded to
> "number pad".
> - see control-mouse-num-pad.png
>
> 18. This might be Debian specific, but a some icons just aren't
> there. Like everything by default on the desktop, and in control
> center, Autostart.
> - see missing-icons.png
>
> 19. In control center -> desktop effects, just switching to the other
> tab marks it dirty (modified) so that when I move to another
> module, I get asked if I want to apply the changes.
>
> 20. Configuring the number of desktops. It seems to me that this
> should also be accessible from the control center, not only by
> right-clicking pager. Or didn't I just find it?
>
> 21. The expose/whatever effect. I think it would be nice if it was
> possible to switch between the different modes (windows on current
> desktop, windows on all desktops, all desktops) by pressing the
> relevant shortcut (ctrl-f8/9/10 by default) without pressing ESC
> in between.
>
> 22. Click the K menu, move mouse to Leave, move mouse down so it's on
> the panel, click to close the menu, don't move mouse further,
> click - while the pointer is above the task manager, clicks go to
> the K menu button (or at least open the K menu). Only moving the
> mouse highlights the window button below the mouse.
>
> 23. Menus, those without any effects, feel somehow slow. I think it
> takes maybe .2 or .3 seconds to open a normal menu, eg. in
> gwenview (or any other KDE program). I have all animations turned
> off.
>
> 24. When waiting for a reply from a site, I think Konqueror should
> show "Connecting 10.0.0.1..." or something in the status bar. Now
> the only indication something is happening is animating the konq
> icon, and it's so tiny that it's easily not noticed. At the same
> time, the status bar says whatever was left there before, like
> "Canceled".
>
> 25. In Konqueror, shortcut settings, open a shortcut edit
> window. Closing it reopens it. This happens twice. Maybe related
> with the next item.
>
> 26. Why is everything in Konq default search engine settings tripled?
> - see konq-search-engines-tripled.png
>
> 27. Konqueror web cache, proxy settings, cookies, browser ident
> windows say "This configuration item is already opened in System
> Settings". No, they're not.
>
> 28. The keyboard switcher flag is shown 1.5 times in the taskbar.
> - see kb-switcher-taskbar.png
>
> 29. K menu -> Utilities icon looks somewhat like a terminal. However
> the terminal program, Konsole, is in System, which looks like a
> cog wheel. This is confusing.
>
> 30. In the new style K menu, is the scrollbar the only way to scroll
> it with a mouse without a scroll wheel? The scroll bar is so
> narrow (well, a standard scroll bar) that this makes using the
> menu without a wheel mouse very clumsy.
>
> 31. In Konqueror settings, when I choose to change my home page, the
> browse button opens a *folder* selection dialog. Hmm?
>
> 32. Why does the Konqueror settings window always stay above the
> browser? Ok, I can see what this can be good for, but it's very
> limiting, especially as the dialog doesn't have a minimize button.
>
> 33. In Konqueror, even when I disable animations, animated gifs are
> still animated.
>
> 34. In Konqueror, in the location field, text cursor is not shown if
> there are any completions shown. This makes editing the current
> url hard.
>
> 35. In Konqueror, pressing ctrl-l to get to the location field now
> clears it. That's not nice. Perhaps I just want to modify the url
> a bit, fix a typo or something. How do I do that without using a
> mouse?
>
> 36. When I start Konqueror from alt-f2, why does it try to go to
> file:///home/user/application/x-webarchive?
>
> 37. In the alt-f2 run command interface, I think using the shade of
> gray that is now used for completion is not good. It's too dark,
> too close to the black text to tell quickly apart. Consider using
> either lighter gray or some other color.
>
> 38. In the panel, the plug-in device icon is nondescriptive. It looks
> like a laptop, doesn't immediately speak anything about
> devices. Perhaps the semi-standard device icon could be used
> instead?
>
> 39. In Konsole, Edit current profile, Appearance, is there a way to
> turn off the animation? Generally the first thing I do when I
> configure KDE, after increasing font sizes, is to turn all
> animations off. I just don't like what I do artificially slowed
> down by eye candy :)
>
> 40. In Konqueror, when I get an untrusted certificate, showing details
> shows "Trusted: TODO".
> - see ssl-cert-trusted-todo.png
>
> 41. Konqueror for some reason asks about restoring session when I
> start a second instance, and also every time I open a new window
> with Ctrl-N. Also it seems that not always any session is
> restored.
>
> 42. In the asking about restoring session dialog, "Ask me later" is
> slightly confusing. Later when? When I next start Konqueror?
>
> 43. ksnapshot window titlebar says "[modified]" even when the current
> snapshot has been saved.
>
> 44. In Konqueror, pressing enter after typing an URL freezes the
> browser for a while when the network is not responding. Does it
> block when resolving the host or something?
>
> 45. The task manager seems to take several seconds to react to
> changing desktops using ctrl-F[1234].
>
> 46. In Konqueror, it seems when I middle-click a link to open it in a
> new tab, there is no immediate feedback and the tab is only opened
> after something has been loaded, which might well be tens of
> seconds later.
>
> 47. It often happens that when I enter login information into some web
> form, KDE asks if I want to save it in my wallet. When I click
> yes, it asks for the wallet password. However Konqueror will
> present its cookie acceptance question form above the kwallet
> password input dialog, stealing focus.
>
> 48. In Konsole, it is not immediately obvious that the way to change
> how it looks like is to choose "Edit current profile".
>
> 49. It has happened already a few times to me that when I refresh a
> tab in Konqueror by pressing F5, Konqueror just disappears. It
> doesn't segfault, I could see that from dmesg. I don't know what
> happens.
>
> I must say 4.1rc1 seems much more promising than 4.0 (I also needed
> KOrganizer so I went back to 3.5.9 anyway), but seems to me there are
> still some rough edges :) Keep up the good work!
>
> Sami
>
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>
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Sami, sounds like you'd be a great candidate to help out with the bug squad. \
Check em out at: <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Bugsquad">http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Bugsquad</a><br>
<br>cheers<br>N<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:39 PM, \
Sami Liedes <<a href="mailto:sliedes@cc.hut.fi">sliedes@cc.hut.fi</a>> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> [Retry, hope you don't get \
this twice - although I did add a couple of<br> items.]<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
I tested KDE 4.1 rc1 from Debian experimental for a few hours,<br>
configuring it and just doing stuff I'd normally do, and here's a list<br>
of issues I found. I wasn't sure you would like me to file dozens of<br>
bugs, so here they are all for now, in no specific order.<br>
<br>
I'm testing it on amd64, Intel display card on a HP laptop. Generally<br>
I try to turn at least all animations off (I just don't like them).<br>
<br>
The screenshots I refer to are available at<br>
<a href="http://www.hut.fi/%7Esliedes/kde4/" \
target="_blank">http://www.hut.fi/~sliedes/kde4/</a><br>
.<br>
<br>
1. General brokenness with bigger-than-default fonts. I use font size<br>
11 on my laptop (on which I tested KDE), and that seems to break<br>
things. On my desktop I use font size 12, and if my monitor was<br>
bigger and hence farther away, I'd probably use even bigger<br>
fonts. :)<br>
- see font-size-*.png<br>
<br>
2. I can't figure out how to use the control center keyboard shortcuts<br>
configuration thing with keyboard. Specifically how to expand an<br>
item to show the mini-window or something that lets me change the<br>
shortcut.<br>
<br>
3. The keyboard shortcuts pane doesn't scroll down until too late when<br>
scrolling with keyboard when an item is opened.<br>
- see kb-shortcuts-scroll-[123].png. I pressed the down arrow key<br>
between those shots.<br>
<br>
4. Konsole context menu has an item named "Change profile". It seems<br>
to me it could mean either "modify a/the profile" or "change \
to a<br> profile". Turns out it means the latter. Perhaps consider \
changing<br> it to "Switch to profile" or something?<br>
<br>
5. In Konsole, the scrollback size is now limited to 10000 unless set<br>
to unlimited. I used to have a scrollback buffer of 25000 in KDE<br>
3.5, now I can't.<br>
<br>
6. In Konsole, in the Advanced tab of Edit current profile, there is<br>
a checkbox "Enable flow control using Ctrl+S , Ctrl+Q".<br>
- The string has an extra space before the ','<br>
- The option is disabled (grayed out). Why?<br>
- see konsole-flow-control.png<br>
<br>
7. In Gwenview, there is no default keyboard shortcut for<br>
Browse. Hence I think it's not very usable by keyboard without<br>
configuring it.<br>
<br>
8. In Konqueror, by default ctrl-minus works, but ctrl-+ not. Turns<br>
out the default key to zoom in is ctrl-=, which isn't very<br>
logical. And on my keyboard (and probably dozens of others), = is<br>
in shift-0.<br>
<br>
9. In Konqueror, configure shortcuts, the alphabetical display idea<br>
doesn't IMHO work very well. For example, it would be nicer if<br>
"Shrink font" and "Enlarge font" were somehow grouped \
together.<br> <br>
10. Some global shortcuts seem really weird, and it's not obvious<br>
where they work. For example, "Go to KDE website", which is \
bound<br> to "E"(!)<br>
- see shortcut-goto-kde-site-e.png<br>
<br>
11. In Control center, shortcuts seem to report that they conflict<br>
with themselves. Also they often just don't work.<br>
- see shortcut-self-conflict.png<br>
- might this have something to do with the fact that there \
are<br> both categories "System settings" and \
"kwin", which seem to<br> overlap?<br>
- see kb-shortcuts-components.png<br>
- also might this have to do with the fact that I had a \
~/.kde<br> from KDE 3.5.9 before I installed KDE 4.1 \
rc1?<br> <br>
12. In the shortcuts pane, when I scroll around with PgUp/PgDown, an<br>
opened shortcut screen (the one that lets me change the shortcut)<br>
often ends up on the text.<br>
- see shortcut-window-on-text.png to see what I mean<br>
<br>
13. In shortcuts, there are lots of redundant tooltips. Every shortcut<br>
is tooltipped with its name, the very same that is already<br>
displayed. Also when a shortcut is expanded, every item inside<br>
that pane is tooltipped with the shortcut's name.<br>
- see shortcuts-tooltips-*.png<br>
<br>
14. Some of the "global" shortcuts are very application specific, like<br>
"Remap Ctrl-W to Ctrl-F4 in Qt Designer".<br>
- see kb-shortcuts-components.png<br>
<br>
15. Is there a shortcut to open the K menu? Why can't I find it? At<br>
least alt-F1 doesn't work.<br>
<br>
16. Is (manual) panel hiding gone? No more hide buttons in the edges<br>
of the panel.<br>
<br>
17. In control center, mouse, "num pad" should perhaps be expanded to<br>
"number pad".<br>
- see control-mouse-num-pad.png<br>
<br>
18. This might be Debian specific, but a some icons just aren't<br>
there. Like everything by default on the desktop, and in control<br>
center, Autostart.<br>
- see missing-icons.png<br>
<br>
19. In control center -> desktop effects, just switching to the other<br>
tab marks it dirty (modified) so that when I move to another<br>
module, I get asked if I want to apply the changes.<br>
<br>
20. Configuring the number of desktops. It seems to me that this<br>
should also be accessible from the control center, not only by<br>
right-clicking pager. Or didn't I just find it?<br>
<br>
21. The expose/whatever effect. I think it would be nice if it was<br>
possible to switch between the different modes (windows on current<br>
desktop, windows on all desktops, all desktops) by pressing the<br>
relevant shortcut (ctrl-f8/9/10 by default) without pressing ESC<br>
in between.<br>
<br>
22. Click the K menu, move mouse to Leave, move mouse down so it's on<br>
the panel, click to close the menu, don't move mouse further,<br>
click - while the pointer is above the task manager, clicks go to<br>
the K menu button (or at least open the K menu). Only moving the<br>
mouse highlights the window button below the mouse.<br>
<br>
23. Menus, those without any effects, feel somehow slow. I think it<br>
takes maybe .2 or .3 seconds to open a normal menu, eg. in<br>
gwenview (or any other KDE program). I have all animations turned<br>
off.<br>
<br>
24. When waiting for a reply from a site, I think Konqueror should<br>
show "Connecting 10.0.0.1..." or something in the status bar. \
Now<br> the only indication something is happening is animating the \
konq<br> icon, and it's so tiny that it's easily not noticed. \
At the same<br> time, the status bar says whatever was left there \
before, like<br> "Canceled".<br>
<br>
25. In Konqueror, shortcut settings, open a shortcut edit<br>
window. Closing it reopens it. This happens twice. Maybe related<br>
with the next item.<br>
<br>
26. Why is everything in Konq default search engine settings tripled?<br>
- see konq-search-engines-tripled.png<br>
<br>
27. Konqueror web cache, proxy settings, cookies, browser ident<br>
windows say "This configuration item is already opened in \
System<br> Settings". No, they're not.<br>
<br>
28. The keyboard switcher flag is shown 1.5 times in the taskbar.<br>
- see kb-switcher-taskbar.png<br>
<br>
29. K menu -> Utilities icon looks somewhat like a terminal. However<br>
the terminal program, Konsole, is in System, which looks like a<br>
cog wheel. This is confusing.<br>
<br>
30. In the new style K menu, is the scrollbar the only way to scroll<br>
it with a mouse without a scroll wheel? The scroll bar is so<br>
narrow (well, a standard scroll bar) that this makes using the<br>
menu without a wheel mouse very clumsy.<br>
<br>
31. In Konqueror settings, when I choose to change my home page, the<br>
browse button opens a *folder* selection dialog. Hmm?<br>
<br>
32. Why does the Konqueror settings window always stay above the<br>
browser? Ok, I can see what this can be good for, but it's very<br>
limiting, especially as the dialog doesn't have a minimize \
button.<br> <br>
33. In Konqueror, even when I disable animations, animated gifs are<br>
still animated.<br>
<br>
34. In Konqueror, in the location field, text cursor is not shown if<br>
there are any completions shown. This makes editing the current<br>
url hard.<br>
<br>
35. In Konqueror, pressing ctrl-l to get to the location field now<br>
clears it. That's not nice. Perhaps I just want to modify the \
url<br> a bit, fix a typo or something. How do I do that without using \
a<br> mouse?<br>
<br>
36. When I start Konqueror from alt-f2, why does it try to go to<br>
file:///home/user/application/x-webarchive?<br>
<br>
37. In the alt-f2 run command interface, I think using the shade of<br>
gray that is now used for completion is not good. It's too \
dark,<br> too close to the black text to tell quickly apart. Consider \
using<br> either lighter gray or some other color.<br>
<br>
38. In the panel, the plug-in device icon is nondescriptive. It looks<br>
like a laptop, doesn't immediately speak anything about<br>
devices. Perhaps the semi-standard device icon could be used<br>
instead?<br>
<br>
39. In Konsole, Edit current profile, Appearance, is there a way to<br>
turn off the animation? Generally the first thing I do when I<br>
configure KDE, after increasing font sizes, is to turn all<br>
animations off. I just don't like what I do artificially slowed<br>
down by eye candy :)<br>
<br>
40. In Konqueror, when I get an untrusted certificate, showing details<br>
shows "Trusted: TODO".<br>
- see ssl-cert-trusted-todo.png<br>
<br>
41. Konqueror for some reason asks about restoring session when I<br>
start a second instance, and also every time I open a new window<br>
with Ctrl-N. Also it seems that not always any session is<br>
restored.<br>
<br>
42. In the asking about restoring session dialog, "Ask me later" is<br>
slightly confusing. Later when? When I next start Konqueror?<br>
<br>
43. ksnapshot window titlebar says "[modified]" even when the current<br>
snapshot has been saved.<br>
<br>
44. In Konqueror, pressing enter after typing an URL freezes the<br>
browser for a while when the network is not responding. Does it<br>
block when resolving the host or something?<br>
<br>
45. The task manager seems to take several seconds to react to<br>
changing desktops using ctrl-F[1234].<br>
<br>
46. In Konqueror, it seems when I middle-click a link to open it in a<br>
new tab, there is no immediate feedback and the tab is only opened<br>
after something has been loaded, which might well be tens of<br>
seconds later.<br>
<br>
47. It often happens that when I enter login information into some web<br>
form, KDE asks if I want to save it in my wallet. When I click<br>
yes, it asks for the wallet password. However Konqueror will<br>
present its cookie acceptance question form above the kwallet<br>
password input dialog, stealing focus.<br>
<br>
48. In Konsole, it is not immediately obvious that the way to change<br>
how it looks like is to choose "Edit current profile".<br>
<br>
49. It has happened already a few times to me that when I refresh a<br>
tab in Konqueror by pressing F5, Konqueror just disappears. It<br>
doesn't segfault, I could see that from dmesg. I don't know \
what<br> happens.<br>
<br>
I must say 4.1rc1 seems much more promising than 4.0 (I also needed<br>
KOrganizer so I went back to 3.5.9 anyway), but seems to me there are<br>
still some rough edges :) Keep up the good work!<br>
<br>
Sami<br>
<br>
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