--===============0883199479== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1773_31723471.1212500013645" ------=_Part_1773_31723471.1212500013645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sami, sounds like you'd be a great candidate to help out with the bug squad. Check em out at: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Bugsquad cheers N On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Sami Liedes wrote: > [Retry, hope you don't get this twice - although I did add a couple of > items.] > > Hi, > > I tested KDE 4.1 rc1 from Debian experimental for a few hours, > configuring it and just doing stuff I'd normally do, and here's a list > of issues I found. I wasn't sure you would like me to file dozens of > bugs, so here they are all for now, in no specific order. > > I'm testing it on amd64, Intel display card on a HP laptop. Generally > I try to turn at least all animations off (I just don't like them). > > The screenshots I refer to are available at > http://www.hut.fi/~sliedes/kde4/ > . > > 1. General brokenness with bigger-than-default fonts. I use font size > 11 on my laptop (on which I tested KDE), and that seems to break > things. On my desktop I use font size 12, and if my monitor was > bigger and hence farther away, I'd probably use even bigger > fonts. :) > - see font-size-*.png > > 2. I can't figure out how to use the control center keyboard shortcuts > configuration thing with keyboard. Specifically how to expand an > item to show the mini-window or something that lets me change the > shortcut. > > 3. The keyboard shortcuts pane doesn't scroll down until too late when > scrolling with keyboard when an item is opened. > - see kb-shortcuts-scroll-[123].png. I pressed the down arrow key > between those shots. > > 4. Konsole context menu has an item named "Change profile". It seems > to me it could mean either "modify a/the profile" or "change to a > profile". Turns out it means the latter. Perhaps consider changing > it to "Switch to profile" or something? > > 5. In Konsole, the scrollback size is now limited to 10000 unless set > to unlimited. I used to have a scrollback buffer of 25000 in KDE > 3.5, now I can't. > > 6. In Konsole, in the Advanced tab of Edit current profile, there is > a checkbox "Enable flow control using Ctrl+S , Ctrl+Q". > - The string has an extra space before the ',' > - The option is disabled (grayed out). Why? > - see konsole-flow-control.png > > 7. In Gwenview, there is no default keyboard shortcut for > Browse. Hence I think it's not very usable by keyboard without > configuring it. > > 8. In Konqueror, by default ctrl-minus works, but ctrl-+ not. Turns > out the default key to zoom in is ctrl-=, which isn't very > logical. And on my keyboard (and probably dozens of others), = is > in shift-0. > > 9. In Konqueror, configure shortcuts, the alphabetical display idea > doesn't IMHO work very well. For example, it would be nicer if > "Shrink font" and "Enlarge font" were somehow grouped together. > > 10. Some global shortcuts seem really weird, and it's not obvious > where they work. For example, "Go to KDE website", which is bound > to "E"(!) > - see shortcut-goto-kde-site-e.png > > 11. In Control center, shortcuts seem to report that they conflict > with themselves. Also they often just don't work. > - see shortcut-self-conflict.png > - might this have something to do with the fact that there are > both categories "System settings" and "kwin", which seem to > overlap? > - see kb-shortcuts-components.png > - also might this have to do with the fact that I had a ~/.kde > from KDE 3.5.9 before I installed KDE 4.1 rc1? > > 12. In the shortcuts pane, when I scroll around with PgUp/PgDown, an > opened shortcut screen (the one that lets me change the shortcut) > often ends up on the text. > - see shortcut-window-on-text.png to see what I mean > > 13. In shortcuts, there are lots of redundant tooltips. Every shortcut > is tooltipped with its name, the very same that is already > displayed. Also when a shortcut is expanded, every item inside > that pane is tooltipped with the shortcut's name. > - see shortcuts-tooltips-*.png > > 14. Some of the "global" shortcuts are very application specific, like > "Remap Ctrl-W to Ctrl-F4 in Qt Designer". > - see kb-shortcuts-components.png > > 15. Is there a shortcut to open the K menu? Why can't I find it? At > least alt-F1 doesn't work. > > 16. Is (manual) panel hiding gone? No more hide buttons in the edges > of the panel. > > 17. In control center, mouse, "num pad" should perhaps be expanded to > "number pad". > - see control-mouse-num-pad.png > > 18. This might be Debian specific, but a some icons just aren't > there. Like everything by default on the desktop, and in control > center, Autostart. > - see missing-icons.png > > 19. In control center -> desktop effects, just switching to the other > tab marks it dirty (modified) so that when I move to another > module, I get asked if I want to apply the changes. > > 20. Configuring the number of desktops. It seems to me that this > should also be accessible from the control center, not only by > right-clicking pager. Or didn't I just find it? > > 21. The expose/whatever effect. I think it would be nice if it was > possible to switch between the different modes (windows on current > desktop, windows on all desktops, all desktops) by pressing the > relevant shortcut (ctrl-f8/9/10 by default) without pressing ESC > in between. > > 22. Click the K menu, move mouse to Leave, move mouse down so it's on > the panel, click to close the menu, don't move mouse further, > click - while the pointer is above the task manager, clicks go to > the K menu button (or at least open the K menu). Only moving the > mouse highlights the window button below the mouse. > > 23. Menus, those without any effects, feel somehow slow. I think it > takes maybe .2 or .3 seconds to open a normal menu, eg. in > gwenview (or any other KDE program). I have all animations turned > off. > > 24. When waiting for a reply from a site, I think Konqueror should > show "Connecting 10.0.0.1..." or something in the status bar. Now > the only indication something is happening is animating the konq > icon, and it's so tiny that it's easily not noticed. At the same > time, the status bar says whatever was left there before, like > "Canceled". > > 25. In Konqueror, shortcut settings, open a shortcut edit > window. Closing it reopens it. This happens twice. Maybe related > with the next item. > > 26. Why is everything in Konq default search engine settings tripled? > - see konq-search-engines-tripled.png > > 27. Konqueror web cache, proxy settings, cookies, browser ident > windows say "This configuration item is already opened in System > Settings". No, they're not. > > 28. The keyboard switcher flag is shown 1.5 times in the taskbar. > - see kb-switcher-taskbar.png > > 29. K menu -> Utilities icon looks somewhat like a terminal. However > the terminal program, Konsole, is in System, which looks like a > cog wheel. This is confusing. > > 30. In the new style K menu, is the scrollbar the only way to scroll > it with a mouse without a scroll wheel? The scroll bar is so > narrow (well, a standard scroll bar) that this makes using the > menu without a wheel mouse very clumsy. > > 31. In Konqueror settings, when I choose to change my home page, the > browse button opens a *folder* selection dialog. Hmm? > > 32. Why does the Konqueror settings window always stay above the > browser? Ok, I can see what this can be good for, but it's very > limiting, especially as the dialog doesn't have a minimize button. > > 33. In Konqueror, even when I disable animations, animated gifs are > still animated. > > 34. In Konqueror, in the location field, text cursor is not shown if > there are any completions shown. This makes editing the current > url hard. > > 35. In Konqueror, pressing ctrl-l to get to the location field now > clears it. That's not nice. Perhaps I just want to modify the url > a bit, fix a typo or something. How do I do that without using a > mouse? > > 36. When I start Konqueror from alt-f2, why does it try to go to > file:///home/user/application/x-webarchive? > > 37. In the alt-f2 run command interface, I think using the shade of > gray that is now used for completion is not good. It's too dark, > too close to the black text to tell quickly apart. Consider using > either lighter gray or some other color. > > 38. In the panel, the plug-in device icon is nondescriptive. It looks > like a laptop, doesn't immediately speak anything about > devices. Perhaps the semi-standard device icon could be used > instead? > > 39. In Konsole, Edit current profile, Appearance, is there a way to > turn off the animation? Generally the first thing I do when I > configure KDE, after increasing font sizes, is to turn all > animations off. I just don't like what I do artificially slowed > down by eye candy :) > > 40. In Konqueror, when I get an untrusted certificate, showing details > shows "Trusted: TODO". > - see ssl-cert-trusted-todo.png > > 41. Konqueror for some reason asks about restoring session when I > start a second instance, and also every time I open a new window > with Ctrl-N. Also it seems that not always any session is > restored. > > 42. In the asking about restoring session dialog, "Ask me later" is > slightly confusing. Later when? When I next start Konqueror? > > 43. ksnapshot window titlebar says "[modified]" even when the current > snapshot has been saved. > > 44. In Konqueror, pressing enter after typing an URL freezes the > browser for a while when the network is not responding. Does it > block when resolving the host or something? > > 45. The task manager seems to take several seconds to react to > changing desktops using ctrl-F[1234]. > > 46. In Konqueror, it seems when I middle-click a link to open it in a > new tab, there is no immediate feedback and the tab is only opened > after something has been loaded, which might well be tens of > seconds later. > > 47. It often happens that when I enter login information into some web > form, KDE asks if I want to save it in my wallet. When I click > yes, it asks for the wallet password. However Konqueror will > present its cookie acceptance question form above the kwallet > password input dialog, stealing focus. > > 48. In Konsole, it is not immediately obvious that the way to change > how it looks like is to choose "Edit current profile". > > 49. It has happened already a few times to me that when I refresh a > tab in Konqueror by pressing F5, Konqueror just disappears. It > doesn't segfault, I could see that from dmesg. I don't know what > happens. > > I must say 4.1rc1 seems much more promising than 4.0 (I also needed > KOrganizer so I went back to 3.5.9 anyway), but seems to me there are > still some rough edges :) Keep up the good work! > > Sami > > >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to > unsubscribe << > ------=_Part_1773_31723471.1212500013645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sami, sounds like you'd be a great candidate to help out with the bug squad. Check em out at: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Bugsquad

cheers
N

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Sami Liedes <sliedes@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
[Retry, hope you don't get this twice - although I did add a couple of
items.]

Hi,

I tested KDE 4.1 rc1 from Debian experimental for a few hours,
configuring it and just doing stuff I'd normally do, and here's a list
of issues I found. I wasn't sure you would like me to file dozens of
bugs, so here they are all for now, in no specific order.

I'm testing it on amd64, Intel display card on a HP laptop. Generally
I try to turn at least all animations off (I just don't like them).

The screenshots I refer to are available at
http://www.hut.fi/~sliedes/kde4/
.

1. General brokenness with bigger-than-default fonts. I use font size
  11 on my laptop (on which I tested KDE), and that seems to break
  things. On my desktop I use font size 12, and if my monitor was
  bigger and hence farther away, I'd probably use even bigger
  fonts. :)
    - see font-size-*.png

2. I can't figure out how to use the control center keyboard shortcuts
  configuration thing with keyboard. Specifically how to expand an
  item to show the mini-window or something that lets me change the
  shortcut.

3. The keyboard shortcuts pane doesn't scroll down until too late when
  scrolling with keyboard when an item is opened.
    - see kb-shortcuts-scroll-[123].png. I pressed the down arrow key
      between those shots.

4. Konsole context menu has an item named "Change profile". It seems
  to me it could mean either "modify a/the profile" or "change to a
  profile". Turns out it means the latter. Perhaps consider changing
  it to "Switch to profile" or something?

5. In Konsole, the scrollback size is now limited to 10000 unless set
  to unlimited. I used to have a scrollback buffer of 25000 in KDE
  3.5, now I can't.

6. In Konsole, in the Advanced tab of Edit current profile, there is
  a checkbox "Enable flow control using Ctrl+S , Ctrl+Q".
    - The string has an extra space before the ','
    - The option is disabled (grayed out). Why?
    - see konsole-flow-control.png

7. In Gwenview, there is no default keyboard shortcut for
  Browse. Hence I think it's not very usable by keyboard without
  configuring it.

8. In Konqueror, by default ctrl-minus works, but ctrl-+ not. Turns
  out the default key to zoom in is ctrl-=, which isn't very
  logical. And on my keyboard (and probably dozens of others), = is
  in shift-0.

9. In Konqueror, configure shortcuts, the alphabetical display idea
  doesn't IMHO work very well. For example, it would be nicer if
  "Shrink font" and "Enlarge font" were somehow grouped together.

10. Some global shortcuts seem really weird, and it's not obvious
   where they work. For example, "Go to KDE website", which is bound
   to "E"(!)
     - see shortcut-goto-kde-site-e.png

11. In Control center, shortcuts seem to report that they conflict
   with themselves. Also they often just don't work.
     - see shortcut-self-conflict.png
     - might this have something to do with the fact that there are
       both categories "System settings" and "kwin", which seem to
       overlap?
       - see kb-shortcuts-components.png
     - also might this have to do with the fact that I had a ~/.kde
       from KDE 3.5.9 before I installed KDE 4.1 rc1?

12. In the shortcuts pane, when I scroll around with PgUp/PgDown, an
   opened shortcut screen (the one that lets me change the shortcut)
   often ends up on the text.
     - see shortcut-window-on-text.png to see what I mean

13. In shortcuts, there are lots of redundant tooltips. Every shortcut
   is tooltipped with its name, the very same that is already
   displayed. Also when a shortcut is expanded, every item inside
   that pane is tooltipped with the shortcut's name.
     - see shortcuts-tooltips-*.png

14. Some of the "global" shortcuts are very application specific, like
   "Remap Ctrl-W to Ctrl-F4 in Qt Designer".
     - see kb-shortcuts-components.png

15. Is there a shortcut to open the K menu? Why can't I find it? At
   least alt-F1 doesn't work.

16. Is (manual) panel hiding gone? No more hide buttons in the edges
   of the panel.

17. In control center, mouse, "num pad" should perhaps be expanded to
   "number pad".
     - see control-mouse-num-pad.png

18. This might be Debian specific, but a some icons just aren't
   there. Like everything by default on the desktop, and in control
   center, Autostart.
     - see missing-icons.png

19. In control center -> desktop effects, just switching to the other
   tab marks it dirty (modified) so that when I move to another
   module, I get asked if I want to apply the changes.

20. Configuring the number of desktops. It seems to me that this
   should also be accessible from the control center, not only by
   right-clicking pager. Or didn't I just find it?

21. The expose/whatever effect. I think it would be nice if it was
   possible to switch between the different modes (windows on current
   desktop, windows on all desktops, all desktops) by pressing the
   relevant shortcut (ctrl-f8/9/10 by default) without pressing ESC
   in between.

22. Click the K menu, move mouse to Leave, move mouse down so it's on
   the panel, click to close the menu, don't move mouse further,
   click - while the pointer is above the task manager, clicks go to
   the K menu button (or at least open the K menu). Only moving the
   mouse highlights the window button below the mouse.

23. Menus, those without any effects, feel somehow slow. I think it
   takes maybe .2 or .3 seconds to open a normal menu, eg. in
   gwenview (or any other KDE program). I have all animations turned
   off.

24. When waiting for a reply from a site, I think Konqueror should
   show "Connecting 10.0.0.1..." or something in the status bar. Now
   the only indication something is happening is animating the konq
   icon, and it's so tiny that it's easily not noticed. At the same
   time, the status bar says whatever was left there before, like
   "Canceled".

25. In Konqueror, shortcut settings, open a shortcut edit
   window. Closing it reopens it. This happens twice. Maybe related
   with the next item.

26. Why is everything in Konq default search engine settings tripled?
     - see konq-search-engines-tripled.png

27. Konqueror web cache, proxy settings, cookies, browser ident
   windows say "This configuration item is already opened in System
   Settings". No, they're not.

28. The keyboard switcher flag is shown 1.5 times in the taskbar.
     - see kb-switcher-taskbar.png

29. K menu -> Utilities icon looks somewhat like a terminal. However
   the terminal program, Konsole, is in System, which looks like a
   cog wheel. This is confusing.

30. In the new style K menu, is the scrollbar the only way to scroll
   it with a mouse without a scroll wheel? The scroll bar is so
   narrow (well, a standard scroll bar) that this makes using the
   menu without a wheel mouse very clumsy.

31. In Konqueror settings, when I choose to change my home page, the
   browse button opens a *folder* selection dialog. Hmm?

32. Why does the Konqueror settings window always stay above the
   browser? Ok, I can see what this can be good for, but it's very
   limiting, especially as the dialog doesn't have a minimize button.

33. In Konqueror, even when I disable animations, animated gifs are
   still animated.

34. In Konqueror, in the location field, text cursor is not shown if
   there are any completions shown. This makes editing the current
   url hard.

35. In Konqueror, pressing ctrl-l to get to the location field now
   clears it. That's not nice. Perhaps I just want to modify the url
   a bit, fix a typo or something. How do I do that without using a
   mouse?

36. When I start Konqueror from alt-f2, why does it try to go to
   file:///home/user/application/x-webarchive?

37. In the alt-f2 run command interface, I think using the shade of
   gray that is now used for completion is not good. It's too dark,
   too close to the black text to tell quickly apart. Consider using
   either lighter gray or some other color.

38. In the panel, the plug-in device icon is nondescriptive. It looks
   like a laptop, doesn't immediately speak anything about
   devices. Perhaps the semi-standard device icon could be used
   instead?

39. In Konsole, Edit current profile, Appearance, is there a way to
   turn off the animation? Generally the first thing I do when I
   configure KDE, after increasing font sizes, is to turn all
   animations off. I just don't like what I do artificially slowed
   down by eye candy :)

40. In Konqueror, when I get an untrusted certificate, showing details
   shows "Trusted: TODO".
     - see ssl-cert-trusted-todo.png

41. Konqueror for some reason asks about restoring session when I
   start a second instance, and also every time I open a new window
   with Ctrl-N. Also it seems that not always any session is
   restored.

42. In the asking about restoring session dialog, "Ask me later" is
   slightly confusing. Later when? When I next start Konqueror?

43. ksnapshot window titlebar says "[modified]" even when the current
   snapshot has been saved.

44. In Konqueror, pressing enter after typing an URL freezes the
   browser for a while when the network is not responding. Does it
   block when resolving the host or something?

45. The task manager seems to take several seconds to react to
   changing desktops using ctrl-F[1234].

46. In Konqueror, it seems when I middle-click a link to open it in a
   new tab, there is no immediate feedback and the tab is only opened
   after something has been loaded, which might well be tens of
   seconds later.

47. It often happens that when I enter login information into some web
   form, KDE asks if I want to save it in my wallet. When I click
   yes, it asks for the wallet password. However Konqueror will
   present its cookie acceptance question form above the kwallet
   password input dialog, stealing focus.

48. In Konsole, it is not immediately obvious that the way to change
   how it looks like is to choose "Edit current profile".

49. It has happened already a few times to me that when I refresh a
   tab in Konqueror by pressing F5, Konqueror just disappears. It
   doesn't segfault, I could see that from dmesg. I don't know what
   happens.

I must say 4.1rc1 seems much more promising than 4.0 (I also needed
KOrganizer so I went back to 3.5.9 anyway), but seems to me there are
still some rough edges :) Keep up the good work!

       Sami

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