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Subject: Re: more than 4 keyboard layouts?
From: "Andriy Rysin" <arysin () gmail ! com>
Date: 2007-02-27 19:43:53
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2007/2/27, Chusslove Illich <caslav.ilic@gmx.net>:
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> > [: Andriy Rysin :]
> > [...] as kxkb is going to switch groups instead of layouts in KDE4
> > [...] four layouts will be supported, the problem starts with 5 and more
>
> But how about this: let it be 4 layouts tops in the rotation (ie. group
> switching), but implement a possibility of forming more than a single
> rotation. The rationale would be twofold.
well I was thinking about some sort of engine of this kind, the question is
time and effort:
currently I have prently todos for kxkb even for 4 layouts/groups, so I am
just trying to plan ahead and not to overdesign the switcher.
First, even if someone needs more than 4 layouts, he most certainly doesn't
> need them in a quick-switch manner. Probably 2 layouts tops while writing
> a single piece of whatever.
agree
The implementation shouldn't have to burden those which do not need to use
> multiple rotations. In config, there could be an "Add Rotation" option,
> and some way of selecting the rotation to which layouts are added/removed,
> when more rotations are present. In the systray, again only in case of
> more than one defined rotation, there could be a number next to layout
> text/icon.
I myself use 3: US, Ukrainian and Russian and I think in this case assigning
a shortcut to layout would help, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F8 to RU e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F9 to
UA and Ctrl+Alt+F10 to US. And it's on my todo list.
Also sticky switching may be tricky to do properly with groups so it may be
changed or just go away - this depends on implementation complexity, as far
as I know some people use sticky switching but most of them are not too
excited about it. I think "shortcut-per-layout" should be a better solution.
Though some "sticky twist" might come handy:
US + UA + RU
Swtich by Ctrl+Shift (or other standard way) between US and UA (sticky part)
Allow to switch to RU with Ctrl+Alt+F*.
Or something like that.
And while we're at shortcuts (forgetting for the moment my proposal above),
> when you use xkb switching withing the group, what are the shortcuts going
> to be? Only those that xkb natively supports, as in Gnome? I'm worried
> because in the meantime I've been using Alt+Space (as on MacOS X), and
> indeed it does work out beautifully for me (better than my previous
> choice, RWin).
I am planning to support both: modifier-only shortcuts (like Ctrl+Shift)
through XKB options and standard ones (I myself use Ctrl+Menu) through
Qt/KDE. The first one is most requested feature and second is just natural
and standard for KDE.
Andriy
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2007/2/27, Chusslove Illich <<a \
href="mailto:caslav.ilic@gmx.net">caslav.ilic@gmx.net</a>>:<div><span \
class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > [: \
Andriy Rysin :]<br>> [...] as kxkb is going to switch groups instead of layouts in \
KDE4<br>> [...] four layouts will be supported, the problem starts with 5 and \
more<br><br>But how about this: let it be 4 layouts tops in the rotation (ie. group \
<br>switching), but implement a possibility of forming more than a \
single<br>rotation. The rationale would be twofold.</blockquote><div><br>well I was \
thinking about some sort of engine of this kind, the question is time and effort: \
<br>currently I have prently todos for kxkb even for 4 layouts/groups, so I am just \
trying to plan ahead and not to overdesign the switcher.<br></div><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> First, even if someone needs more than 4 layouts, he \
most certainly doesn't<br>need them in a quick-switch manner. Probably 2 layouts \
tops while writing<br>a single piece of whatever.</blockquote><div><br>agree \
<br></div> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">The implementation \
shouldn't have to burden those which do not need to use<br>multiple rotations. In \
config, there could be an "Add Rotation" option, <br>and some way of \
selecting the rotation to which layouts are added/removed,<br>when more rotations are \
present. In the systray, again only in case of<br>more than one defined rotation, \
there could be a number next to layout <br>text/icon.</blockquote><div><br>I myself \
use 3: US, Ukrainian and Russian and I think in this case assigning a shortcut to \
layout would help, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F8 to RU e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F9 to UA and Ctrl+Alt+F10 to \
US. And it's on my todo list. <br>Also sticky switching may be tricky to do \
properly with groups so it may be changed or just go away - this depends on \
implementation complexity, as far as I know some people use sticky switching but most \
of them are not too excited about it. I think "shortcut-per-layout" should \
be a better solution. Though some "sticky twist" might come handy: <br>US + \
UA + RU<br><br>Swtich by Ctrl+Shift (or other standard way) between US and UA (sticky \
part)<br>Allow to switch to RU with Ctrl+Alt+F*.<br>Or something like \
that.<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> And while \
we're at shortcuts (forgetting for the moment my proposal above),<br>when you use \
xkb switching withing the group, what are the shortcuts going<br>to be? Only those \
that xkb natively supports, as in Gnome? I'm worried <br>because in the meantime \
I've been using Alt+Space (as on MacOS X), and<br>indeed it does work out \
beautifully for me (better than my previous<br>choice, \
RWin).</blockquote><div><br></div></div>I am planning to support both: modifier-only \
shortcuts (like Ctrl+Shift) through XKB options and standard ones (I myself use \
Ctrl+Menu) through Qt/KDE. The first one is most requested feature and second is just \
natural and standard for KDE. <br><br>Andriy<br>
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