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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: [Announce] KPDF2-0.3.0 released
From:       Krzysztof Lichota <krzysiek () lichota ! net>
Date:       2007-01-31 22:30:53
Message-ID: 45C1189D.2050803 () lichota ! net
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Aaron J. Seigo napisał(a):
> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 2:55, Krzysztof Lichota wrote:
>> happening in Gnome - think Compiz/Beryl, Matisse, accessibility
>> framework, etc.
> 
> so ... composited window managers and accessibility framework.
> 
> the former is a work in progress on all fronts, overstated in importance and 
> actually benefits everyone anyways (kde 3.5 has had patches go in so the 
> taskbar and pager apparently work properly with beryl/compiz), so let's look 
> at the accessibility framework. 

Matisse is more about usability. You can run KDE with Compiz, but it is
not as well integrated as kwin. Composite extensions to kwin do not have
publicity at all. I don't even know if they work. And Compiz is a great
marketing tool to convince people to try Linux. I can see a lot of "why
should I use Windows, I have Compiz and it rocks" statements on forums.

> you also overstate the state of a11y in other open source projects. have you 
> actually tried to set such a thing up, or are you speaking from the 
> perspective of someone who reads the press releases? because a11y is anything 
> but a solved issue; many distros are pushing for an easier installation and 
> set up path for the existing corba based systems because they are just that 
> baroque.

I have not used accessibility. I am talking from the perspective what is
publicized (and marketing matters).

Compiz and a11y was just examples. I am talking about general climate -
seems like most recent advancements are in Gnome arena. For example
Beagle (not talking about its quality, but anyways) or NetworkManager
(first developed for Gnome, then added frontend for KDE). They might not
 be strictly Gnome apps, but they are associated with it.

>> I think the timing for KDE4 development is really unfortunate. This year
>> is the year when Vista comes out and there is an opportunity to draw
>> disappointed Windows users to Linux. Stalling improvements in existing
>> and proved technology (KDE3) in order to present them with brilliant
>> technology later (KDE4) is not going to help. It will be too late.
> 
> i wish it were that obvious and clear cut. there are limitations in kde3 that 
> are stuck with as long as we stick to our commitments on things like binary 
> compatibility.

Yes, I agree. But there are also things which might be improved without
it, like infamous bug in disconnected IMAP which wipes e-mails
(https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63353). IMHO such improvements are
more important than new technology in KDE4 (like Akonadi).

	Krzysztof Lichota



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