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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Bug 37780
From:       Josef Weidendorfer <Josef.Weidendorfer () in ! tum ! de>
Date:       2004-09-27 8:12:28
Message-ID: 200409271012.28475.Josef.Weidendorfer () in ! tum ! de
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Hi,

On Monday 27 September 2004 02:51, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> I believe that the bug as filed has been fixed, and therefore I have closed
> it.

In generally, I think it is better to keep bug reports open until all the 
reporters can reproduce that the bug is fixed for them, or they can see for 
themself that KDE is not the cluprit (perhaps by guidance from KDE people).
It only makes KDE users unhappy to see their reports being closed without them 
being fixed. Unfortunately, with this policy bugs seem to be difficult to 
close :-(

Especially in this case, the behaviour depends on so much configuration 
issues, that I'm sure no single person can prove that the bug is fixed.
That said, I can not reproduce it, too. I can remember that konqueror used to 
keep watching closed directories to be able to faster open them again.

Issues possibly involved:
* The watching method of KDE (either regularily polling with stat(),DNotify or 
FAM)
* If using FAM, the method of how the fam daemon is watching: Either stat() or 
DNotify, or ... 
If DNotify is used, it needs to have open the directory being watched.
if that is true, it depends on the file system being used if unmounting is 
still possible: E.g. Suse9.1 uses subfs for removable media per default. This 
has persistent mounts all the time even if there is no media in the drive.
Perhaps otherwise it depends on the actual mount method like automount, 
supermount, ...

As these configuration options all are distribution dependent, I would never 
close such a bug report myself ;-)

Josef


> However, my hypothesis is that there is still a problem.
>
> It is possible that there is some interaction between an automounter and
> FAM that causes the CD-ROM to appear busy when it is not.  I'm not sure
> that this is a KDE issue, but users that have the problem do think that it
> is a KDE problem.
>
> Since distros install an automounter by default, we probably need to
> address the problem.
>
> Note: I don't use an automounter and except for the other bug:
>
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73927
>
> I have no problem, IWFM.
>
> You will also note from the comments that some newbies and users seem to
> think that you should be able to remove the CD-ROM even it it is busy.  I
> disagree, I think that this a feature.  Perhaps there should be a software
> override, but the normal behavior shouldn't be changed.
>
> --
> JRT
>
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Josef Weidendorfer
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Lehrstuhl für Informatik, Technische Universität München
 
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