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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: for when apps fail to start
From:       Nicolas Goutte <nicolasg () snafu ! de>
Date:       2003-12-31 15:03:52
Message-ID: 200312311603.52823.nicolasg () snafu ! de
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On Wednesday 31 December 2003 11:56, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:

I had a similar discussion on http://www.kde-forum.org

My problem is still: how do you get the stdout and stderr?

(May be it is very easy but I have no idea. If we always redirecty stdout and 
stderr, the kdebug system would not work anymore.)

Have a nice day!

> hello everyone,
>
> Dun you hate when you start an application from the K menu or the desktop,
> but the window simply doesn't open?  Sometimes apps fail to start, and that
> is a fact of life + =(
>
> The startup notification sure helps in letting you know that you actually
> attempted to open the app, and is a welcome step forward.  But sometimes I
> need to open the app in a konsole window to actually see what happened, in
> the konsole window, by peeking at the stderr output.  Wouldn't it be great
> to have it show discreetly when the app fails to start or bombs out?  Even
> better, wouldnt it be great to peek to the stderr output of the app so
> diagnosing what went wrong is much faster?
>
> Attached to this email you'll find a very crappy depiction of an idea of
> what could be done.  How far are we from getting something like this? 
> Could this be done with a minimum of fuss?  Perhaps a stderr or stdout dump
> can be incorporated to crash handler reports.  Sort of "The last words of
> this app were:" stuff.
>
> Technically it could be done with all this startup notification things on
> the .desktop files, at least for them, although I'd love to see it work on
> programs started directly from minicli / krun.  All that needs to be done
> is to tee the stderr output of the app, and when the "failed to start"
> condition is detected, present it in the form of a kpassivepopup or some
> sort of balloon pointing to the notification button on the taskbar, or
> perhaps a small icon on the tray.
>
>     suerte,
>
>     Rudd-O
>
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