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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: checking for GTK and glib in configure.in.in ?
From:       Helio Chissini de Castro <helio () conectiva ! com ! br>
Date:       2003-08-05 11:09:48
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Arghh...
Last message was for Henrique.. Please don't blame me to reply wrong in 
portuguese !!!

On Tuesday 05 August 2003 08:05, Helio Chissini de Castro wrote:
> Oi Henrique..
>
> Fazendo amigos ? :-)
>
> Só não se assuste co o Coolo, porque ele é osso duro de roer mesmo. Não é
> ele que é meio mal educado contigo, ele é com todo mundo. Mas é natural. O
> pessoal já acostumou.
>
> Eu to indo pra Nové Hrady, tu tens alguma coisa pra levar pra lá ( idéias,
> sugestões de tudo ). Tando lá, eu vou poder bater o pé junto com os caras..
>
> []'s
>
> On Monday 04 August 2003 21:02, Henrique Pinto wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > First of all, I must apologize everyone here for my involvement in the
> > useless discussion this issue turned into.
> >
> > This is my last post to this thread.
> >
> > This thread started over as a question on how to check if GTK+ and GLib
> > are installed. It is a legitimate question, and was referring, since
> > them, to a "soft" dependency on these libraries.
> >
> > Then, James Richard Tyrer said:
> > >I think that is reasonable to assume that many users have the libraries
> > >that are needed to use The GIMP.
> >
> > In the way it was written, this is a true statement. Most KDE users are
> > likely to have GTK+ and GLib "runtime libraries" installed in their
> > system, but many do not. But it was referring to the development packages
> > of these libraries, what made the statement untrue. Assuming that
> > everyone has GTK libraries and development files installed means creating
> > a hard dependency on GTK, what is unacceptable for KDE (I don't think
> > this needs any explanation.)
> >
> > This has nothing to do with the original question of Reinhold Kainhofer,
> > concerning the detection of the availability of GTK+ and GLib in
> > configure.in.in, for a "soft" dependency.
> >
> > After this message, the thread became a flame war. Many skilled and
> > recognized KDE contributors were offended, what is a shame for the KDE
> > community (actually, getting involved in something such as this is also a
> > shame, and because of that I beg the KDE community to forgive me for
> > doing that).
> >
> > Some messages ahead, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> > 	"Probably because Zach, and others, want to have the last word rather
> > than take responsibility for their errors.",
> >
> > what is a clear and personal offense to Zack Rusin, and to all the
> > "others" he has mentioned. Words such as these are a discourtesy for the
> > community, so we'd better stop this thread here.
> >
> > And my two last points:
> >
> > #1: James, I do not hate you, but I think your last attitudes are leading
> > people to do so. I am not here to judge you, nor do I have competence for
> > that, but I ask you to think about your latest words. You may find that
> > some of them were unnecessary, and only caused bad things. This may, of
> > course, be caused by cultural differences, but I don't think many people
> > like the way (and the things) you write.
> >
> > #2: Stephan Kulow: yes, by re-reading all this thread for the 220th time,
> > I found it to be really stupid, and I'm ashamed of myself for being
> > involved in it. But the discussion was never on whether I would use or
> > not the plugin. I did not said why I refuse to install GTK+, as this is a
> > very personal thing and would only make this stupid discussion even more
> > stupid. But creating a hard dependency on GTK+ for KDE, as proposed, was
> > something I could not accept. Again, I ask you and the whole KDE
> > community to forgive me for my last acts.
> >
> > Thank you all for reading this.

-- 
Helio Castro
KDE Developer
Development Conectiva S.A.
 
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