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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: RFC: [PATCH] Buttons for applet handles
From:       Ian Reinhart Geiser <geiseri () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2001-07-06 22:22:44
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On Friday July 06, 2001 5:47 pm, John Firebaugh wrote:
> On Friday July 06, 2001 1:52 pm, Ian Reinhart Geiser wrote:
> > On Friday July 06, 2001 4:23 pm, John Firebaugh wrote:
> > > > Yes the idea that the UI needs to be self explanitory is a noble
> > > > idea, and one we should try to achive but on a 1024x768 screen a
> > > > close box will be: A)	indesernable from anything else on the kicker
> > > > 	B)	hard to hit
> > > > 	C)	will still require MORE documentation to tell them what the
> > > > little red blob actually does.
> > >
> > > If this is true, then we also have a problem with KDockWidget, because
> > > the appearance and functionality is nearly identical. I'm running at
> > > 1024x768, A isn't true. If B is true, then it's no worse then than
> > > things are now, because you'd still have to hit the same area with the
> > > right mouse button. With a tooltip and the universal use of X for close
> > > and an arrow for a popup menu, I don't think C is an issue (btw, it's
> > > not a red blob -- again, please actually _apply_ the patch and tell me
> > > again if you still believe the above).
> >
> > 	i did apply it, and while handy when you get use to it, it still does
> > take some getting use to. I also use my kicker in tiny mode so it is not
> > usable at all in that mode.  If everyone used large mode i would be for
> > it, but the kicker is just too smal. I really thing it is much saner to
> > just display a tooltip and put something in ktip.  It is only my opinion
> > but I think it really only clutters the handle.
>
> Ok, what if there was only the arrow button, no close button?
>
> > 	I guess I am thinking that placeing buttons on these handles is not
> > 	productive.  If anything we should swap the button accelerators on the
> > 	handle.  Since you can move the button via the menu, make the menu pop
> > up clicking on the handle normal.
>
> The problem with that is that it is inconsistent with the rest of kde,
> where a popup menu is always indicated by an arrow button, and something
> that is dragable is indicated by the racing stripes.
>
okay i looked at it in tiny and the arrow is okay, i still think it is ugly 
but it is consistant and seems very strait forward.  would you be against 
swapping the mouse buttons so that when the handle is clicked the men pops 
up.  This would be very nice to the Mac linux crowd because most of them only 
have one mouse button :)

> > 	I do not mean to be so offiensive in this matter but i really do not
> > think the X and the triangle aid in the UI.  I think we need to fix the
> > UI instead of adding more.
>
> No offense taken. :-) I just think that something _has_ to be added so the
> ability to remove applets isn't hidden.
	My vote is:
	Use the up arrow to show that it is a menu
	then when the user clicks on the handle they get
	a menu and top it all off with a tool tip.

	sound like a fair idea?

	-ian reinhart geiser

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